to ask, can you all just make it clear whether you are WC or MC?

[bejeezusWC]

so I know whether I value your opinion on any given topic, or whether I will just humour you

I am working class, just so you know. Although 'I pass' for MC, so I may be moving amongst you undetected. be afraid

I was brought up upper middle - father had a continental title; mother's parents had land and stables. And I have the family tiara but I didn't go to university (wasn't regarded as clever enough in the late 70s) although I went on to earn six figures in the City with the barrow boys . My side have little money left - death duties, my mother's marriages and expensive tastes.

DH regards himself as working class (his father's side were labourers - his mother's down the pit and servants although they became an engineer and deputy head). They live(d) poor, think poor but MIL has at least a mill .

DH went to the local comp and an Oxbridge and has made a bomb but we don't give a monkeys and have what we want rather than what is supposed to be posh, trendy or anything else, so what does that make us? The DC definitely think they are "made in Chelsea" and even though they were born there they weren't made there

i am working class. my daughter is middle class. i only watch television on the internet. and only bbc.

I am very sure that I'm MC

Born MC as both parents graduates, well-read, multiple languages, MC jobs, well-travelled etc
Educated MC as I went to independent schools, university and read compulsively
Employed MC as am in a professional role
Married MC as DH is similarly in a professional role
Living MC as shop at Waitrose or Sainsburys
Wearing MC as clothes all high end High Street - not too flashy but definitely not Primark
Children are MC for multiple reasons (some of them unspeakable)

There are no contra-indications.

I don't want to be working class because I don't like the food. I did once set foot in an Asda but I didn't like it very much. Also I don't like the accents.

I don't want to be upper class either. The food's better but I don't like cold which seems to be a permanent state of being for the upper classes. Also I don't have one of those big battered old trunks that signify in a very coded way that they spent a lot of time in boarding schools. I have a healthy fear of shotguns and ghillies as well. Also I don't like the accents.

Foreign, therefore thankfully exempt from this nonsense. But I do find it amusing to read about.

bejeezus - confused now.com - a toilet is always a toilet though? A WC is (i think) a Women's Convenience or is it a Water Closet or Water Convenience?? Anyway if you are out in town a WC sign means toilet.

What is more posh - a toilet or a loo. Not 'the bog' anyway. My Mum always told me that 'toilet' is more polite but this thread is making me wonder....
Not that i care what word i say - but any toilet loo bog bathroom that i have to use better be clean & no bad smells!!

I judge people with rank toilets.
I am a toilet snob about toilet slobs.

WC, but I'm not working at the moment, and I came from a single parent mother who hasn't worked either so I guess I'm from the underclass instead since I feel cheeky using the word working!

Foreign here too so I don't really get the British obsession with class.

For WC dinner = lunchtime meal. Lunch can sometimes be used but not too commonly. Dinner as an evening meal term is strictly forbidden (I am from the north so maybe this doesn't apply as much down south). Supper is definitely not the same as dinner/tea if you're WC. Supper is a meal eaten before bedtime.

(I'm WC through and through by the way- parents worked hard to be very comfortably off money wise and gave me my own house last year but class is much more than a money issue, it's a state of being. My sister has a degree but she's still working class. I did very well academically at A level but was too lazy to get a degree. I would still have been working class. I can sneer at chavs and look down at them and it's okay because I'm working class too but if MC folk do it, then it constitutes snobbery and I don't like it).

I don't know what I am, is there a quiz I can take?

Don't know, don't care

Like this thread , must mark my place and get some sleep ..

I'm classless in my mind

I am a distinctly vulgar nouveau riche.

lucie I agree with what you have said

I think it is slightly more palatable for WC to sneer at chavs than MC

However I can't stand the word itself and think WC people should stop using it; its a form of divide and conquer and I think we should be standing along side 'them'

Have you read 'Chavs' by Owen Jones?

Everyone should

labootin Haha, 'distinctly vulgar noveau rich' would definitely be my second preferred 'class culture's to belong to

I like shameless honesty

messalina I love your term 'middle class anxiety'.

Why do people keep mentioning books? What do books have to do with class?

I think that was the first book to be mentioned

Books don't have anything to do with class, but 'Chavs' is an interesting book about class (IMO obviously, not everyone will find it interesting)

On MN the more books you have the more MC you are.

WC people don't own books or read according to MN

and WTF is WC food?

When I was little usual I think it was spam and chips or stuffed hearts - now I think it's kebab and chips and chips and chips or cheap ready meals.

Do you really think that? or are you taking the piss

I really hope you are not being serious

No married. That's very wrong.

WC food? Are your heads really that far up your own arses??