To not have sex with my partner

[WhiteWidow]

Because yet again I have the most horrific shaving rash! He says he doesn't mind but I do... Now I feel silly

While we're here does anyone else suffer from the BURN and HORRID ingrown hairs? How do you prevent them.. I'm sick to death.

I wish I could just go all european and not do hair removal but it makes me itchy thinking about it.

It's lovely isn't it? I've been using this wonderful stuff to exfoliate everywhere but my face and genitals, it's gorgeous! Makes my legs so so soft!

Anyway I should go shave and slap this porridge on!

Oh poor socially conditioned, oppressed me :(

Ooh I have a tub of that in the bathroom Empusa which I haven't opened yet. Is it lovely? I shall give it a try

I don't know WhiteWidow, do you do your cheerleading, lol, you show them evil feminists thing every topic?

I would find any social norm interesting, catgirl. Sorry if that makes me a dullard.

It doesn't make you a dullard. I think, each social norm is interesting when you look at the wider "why do we do that" issue in terms of culture etc.

But coming on a thread and saying "that's because of social conditioning" is a bit like pointing out people breathe air and adds nothing.

I've decided the worst people to argue with are feminists regarding shaving, and Christians about evolution. In that order.

But, "It's because of social conditioning" shall be my catch phrase. I shall use it on every thread, in a "Leave the bastard" stylee

catgirl It's the best scrub I've used! And it smells divine!

Ps. Where's the evil feminist thing come from?!

I shall try some in the morning.

'Where did I fucking say you were acting like an animal if you don't shave?'
Eh?

'We are socially conditioned to not act like animals.
There, does that make sense to you?'

Many generations of people were conditioned to think of sex as something more suitable to farm animals than to humans; perhaps the idea that we should shave our genitalia comes from the sense that there is something icky and animalistic about sex and that it can be minimised if we look less like animals?
I dispute that we are socially conditioned to not act like animals and I find it very interesting that acting like animals should be the phrase you used in connection with genitalia.

There is nothing wrong with an interest and discussion with social conditioning, but it doesn't affect everyone in the same way.

When someone explains to you that they understand social conditioning, and explains why they do something, and you tell them they are wrong, that's what I find questionable.

You have talked of pressure and empowering women to make choices. We are saying we feel we have choices, we feel we are able to choose.

I feel able to sport a big fat bush with NO pressure to shave it off. I haven't shaved it for MONTHS.

Instead of that pleasing you, you tell us we don't.

THAT'S what I find odd. THAT.

She DID NOT use it in relation to pubic hair. She used it in terms of social conditioning generally. She went on to give an example of using a knife and fork.

She has even TOLD you this. So its very rude of you to tell her what she thinks.

Thanks yet again Who's Onion.

Math, I'm going to leave you to it because you are just impossible.

You dispute it? Good for you

'And even if it IS social conditioning, and? What is your point?
Social conditioning is a good thing sometimes. Otherwise we'd be acting like animals.'

It's a thread about pubic hair and shaving thereof and the social conditioning that accompanies it. The comment was 100% about whether social conditioning results in the shaving of genitalia. The throwaway comment about acting like animals in the context of a discussion of genitalia and shaving is most interesting and I think very revealing.

'You have talked of pressure and empowering women to make choices. We are saying we feel we have choices, we feel we are able to choose.' And I am saying none of this is happening in a vacuum and none of it would be even discussed if it wasn't for the advent of universal access to porn on the net. Same goes for boob jobs and bleaching of the anal area.

"none of it would be even discussed if it wasn't for the advent of universal access to porn on the net"

So people only shave down there because of porn (specifically on the net)?

So how did people in porn know to start shaving their pubes? Were they socially conditioned too?

Oh god back to porn are we?

Stop putting words and thoughts into other peoples heads and mouths. It's very rude and patronising.

You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear to suit your agenda.

Just spitting out sound bites and refusing to listen to anything anyone else has to say.

Pointless.

But even with social conditioning, to which we are all exposed, we can still make personal choices, informed, intelligent, and sometimes whimsical.

Of course there is a negative aspect to some of theses choices, but maybe with age, our choices are actually, OUR choices.

So yes, I shave pubically when I want to, have gem dermal implants, because I want to.

I don't want to anal bleach. Am 70/30 about a breast implants; I'd have my teeth done. Nothing massive, just straightened and tidied. Because I want to.

The jokes about 'social conditioning' are quite apt. Society is about social conditioning on every level. Even down to certain aspects of Feminism seeming to 'dictate' whether our choices are truly independent or not.
All of our present societies structures are directly linked to something else, whether it is because it was originally a bloody good idea, or because it wasn't.
There was a run of threads a while ago.. can I wear high heels and still be a feminist? can I wear X, Y or Z and still be a Feminist? Can I do this or that....? It did my head in and put me off the whole subject.

I am a feminist, but I don't want or need anyone, male OR female dictating to me whether my choices are validated or not.
My body, my mind. End of story.

You can relief him in other ways if you have skin irritation from shaving

I have given up bikini waxes and I am loving it, seriously. People should love their fluff.

BoffinMum Thouhg it always confuses me when people call it "fluff" that suggests something soft and downy, mine is always really coarse (probably not the right word, but you should get what I mean), I even tried conditioner to make it softer! And if I leave it I get tangles, which are just plain annoying!

'So how did people in porn know to start shaving their pubes? Were they socially conditioned too?'

Maybe they got the idea from porn showing the rape of children?

So it all stems from paedophilia? And there was me thinking that some people might just like being hairfree...

Dear god. I'm glad I don't live in your mind.

Sorry I have not read the whole thread, I tried but I lost the will to live.

I just want to know - did the OP have sex or not? Wasn't that the original question?