To not have sex with my partner

[WhiteWidow]

Because yet again I have the most horrific shaving rash! He says he doesn't mind but I do... Now I feel silly

While we're here does anyone else suffer from the BURN and HORRID ingrown hairs? How do you prevent them.. I'm sick to death.

I wish I could just go all european and not do hair removal but it makes me itchy thinking about it.

Those are your personal reasons. Like I said, I'm not that interested in personal reasons, I'm interested in where this idea that, for example, you need to be daisy-fresh at all times comes from.

Sexual pleasure, sure, I can get that. It makes no difference to me, or not enough that it would make me put up with the hassle of getting rid of the hair.

I haven't told you you're unclean and if you think anyone has I think you're taking their comments a bit personally. It IS more hygienic to have hair. That doesn't make you unclean. It is just easier to keep your vulva clean when their is hair on it.

So why don't men shave then? If smooth feels so great, why is that so few men shave their legs?

"I haven't told you you're unclean" I know you haven't, however I have been told to go to the doctor and ask how to wash. I will take that personally.

I have no political reasons for shaving my fanny. I've never shaved another woman's fanny nor had her shave mine other than waxers who were paid so I can't imagine why any woman would taker into account anything other than personal reasons for shaving her fanny.

"You need to be daisy-fresh at all times comes from" I don't need to be, it's physically impossible to be. Doesn't mean being daisy fresh isn't a nice feeling and that I won't try to stay fresh.

I always thought the reason behind us having pubic hair was to keep things out. In an age of 90 degree washes, soaps and condoms I can't imagine what I'd be trying to be keeping out that would result in my having public hair being more hygienic for me. Could you elaborate?

No idea yellow though seeing as more women than men wear silk/satin type materials, maybe it's because they aren't as keen or bothered by things feeling soft and smooth.

Yellowraincoat- when I first shaved my pubes, I believed a bush was the norm - as a nurse, I had seen many fanjos, none of which were shaven - so I did think I was going against the norm. I was even afraid of being judged, if anyone, apart from dh, found out (eg. dr or midwife).

"Who actually cares and, why the actual fuck do you care that I do?"

Sorry, but I have to call this... Catgirl, you're the one who posted on one of these many, many past threads saying your friend, the trainee midwife, laughed at women who sport full bushes.*

Clearly friends of yours care. Wy not other randoms discussing it on the Internet?

*Of course there's no pressure not to conform to the prevailing fashion, no, heaven forfend!

But WHY are you so bothered about staying fresh? Plenty of people aren't, it's not a given. In Germany, it's the norm to shower once every two days, more is seen as excessive by some.

Honestly, I'm just a bit bored of this argument. I'm not interested in making anyone feel bad about their choices and that's what I feel like I'm doing, so I'll bow out.

But WHY are you so bothered about staying fresh? Plenty of people aren't, it's not a given. In Germany, it's the norm to shower once every two days, more is seen as excessive by some. Great, they can do whatever they want with their bodies! Just because other people treat their body a certain way doesn't mean I must!

Honestly, I'm just a bit bored of this argument. To be fair I don't think you have an argument, you have an agenda.

There is a subculture among gay men where shaving of body hair is the norm as well as one where hairiness is your calling card.

Look! Men talk about this too. They wonder if it looks gay. They wonder if it attracts or repels women or other men. Some even talk not too kindly about women who don't shave.

If you think it has nothing to do with your assumptions about sexual attractiveness you are deluding yourselves.

Yellow, there is nothing wrong in a discussion of why we behave the way we do, and how society may influence certain decisions.

Yet you talk up thread of a lack of empowerment, and women feeling pressured to shave to conform with an ideal, when there are many women telling you they actually don't feel this way. There is a side thread running and it seems to me that as many women choose not to shave as those who do.

Which suggests to me that this pressure is overstated.

"There is a subculture among gay men where shaving of body hair is the norm as well as one where hairiness is your calling card. "

So a mixture of both smooth and hairy. Like women. Doing what they want. With their own bodies. Good lord.

I've heard it all now.

Good god the poor men who shave their faces because of us women, they must be so oppressed.

Isn't that just the same as what the feminists are saying? Hmmm??

What a load of tosh.

Feminists(in this topic): stop making MY rights and MY choices sound like they've been made by someone else. I resent you for that you miserable sods.

"If you think it has nothing to do with your assumptions about sexual attractiveness you are deluding yourselves."

Ah yes, I forget. You know my thought processes better than I do. I bow down to your superior knowledge.

The exact reason I'm leaving this is because you think I have an agenda and I can see that you think that and why you think that, and since I've stated a million billion times that I don't care what you do with your pubes, it's clear that you have an agenda yourselves.

Debreeze and WhiteWidow, the reasons to do either are based on assumptions of sexual attractiveness. It's not all happening in a vacuum.

And even if it IS social conditioning, and? What is your point? Social conditioning is a good thing sometimes. Otherwise we'd be acting like animals.

"Doing what they want. With their own bodies. Good lord."

Don't be silly now Debeez
Only those with all their pubes intact are doing what they want, the rest of us are just doing what we are told.

"I've stated a million billion times that I don't care what you do with your pubes," No but you've asked a million times why!

Oh yes Nurse - I forgot - she seemed to care. I had no idea why though. Seemed an odd thing to care about to me then and it still does

You can apply this conditioning thing to everything we do. There's no point doing it though.

We are acting like animals. Because we are animals. No amount of shaving can change that.

Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: Sapiens

Its great you found some evidence that men shave. As I got lambasted upthread for saying so.

Math anxiety thank you for stating the obvious, I don't need a lesson in what we are. Its a well know saying 'to act like an animal', you're just being pedantic.

Sexual Attractiveness is one of many reasons why a man or a woman might choose to shave or not shave.

You cant tell me with 100% accuracy why I do something.

Can I ask people. Do you eat with a knife and fork? Oh how horribly OPRESSED BY SOCIETY YOU ARE