Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To expect Croydon University Hospital to treat me in a better manner than this?

137 replies

WhyAlwaysBoris · 20/05/2012 20:35

This is very long, sorry. It is about the hospitals treatment of me during my pregnancy and miscarriage.

I really need some outside perspective- so many things have happened that seem rubbish to me, and I don't know if this is because they are rubbish, or if I have massively high expectations and need to revise them downwards.

At my booking in appointment the MW was strange- lots of odd things including crossing out the bit in my notes where it said there was a family history of mental illness on the grounds that 'depression isn't a mental illness'. I just ignored it and hoped next appointment would be better.

Second appointment at 16 weeks cancelled on the day it was supposed to happen as they had not realised the building would be shut for the Christmas holidays. I was offered a replacement appointment but it was after my 20 week scan.

I kept ringing to try and rearrange- more than 50 times in total, never answered. Left numerous messages, never returned. Eventually I left a message saying if they didn't ring me back within 48 hours I'd sent a written complaint.

Someone phoned me. I was told that the MW from my booking in appointment should have given me other numbers as the number she had given me was a line that was never staffed. Was told they had just taken on a lot of new people who 'weren't up to speed yet' and someone had been drafted in to sort things out.

They also said that if I had left messages they would have been answered. They maintained every message was logged in a book and I had never left any previous messages.

This put me in the rather ridiculous situation of having to offer to send it an itemised mobile bill to prove who was telling the truth- at which point they suddenly 'found' thee lost messages which were in the book after all. The lying aspect of made me very uncomfortable.

At my 20 week scan it was found that I had had a missed miscarriage and the baby had died between 14 and 16 weeks. I was induced but advised not to see the baby as it had deteriorated since it had passed away some 4-6 weeks prior to this.
If I had had my 16 week appointment it obviously would not have saved the baby, but I would have known weeks earlier and would have at least had the opportunity to say goodbye properly.

The PM suspected a clotting issue but could not confirm as the hospital lost the placenta despite the doctor insisting at the time of delivery that it was very important it was sent off (which including ordering a nurse to retrieve some of it out of the toilet so that it was complete). They still lost it.

The appointment to receive the PM results told us to go to an address that did not exist (the building, department and zone of the hospital all conflicted)- We were variously sent back to the place where we had had the scan telling us the baby had died, back to the place where we had had the initial meeting after the scan to explain the baby was dead, back to the place where we had had the booking in for the induction and finally to a fourth place where they sat us in a waiting area with a 3 minute video on a loop of a new born baby. By the time someone actually found out where we were supposed to go we were in a complete state.

We were told we would need blood tests to pinpoint the blood clotting issue, and the consultant said he would like to see us in 3 months to discuss the results- this would be in May.

Two weeks before the appointment I received a letter saying he would see us on the 31st August now instead of May.

I rang the consultant's secretary who said she would try and get me anther date and ring me the next day. She did not. I rang her the day after and she said I should be waiting for a letter. It was as if we had never spoken and she had never promised to phone me.

I got the letter yesterday morning and it was just the final straw- it became apparent why she didn't ring me. It is an earlier appointment, but not with the consultant but a much more junior doctor and in biro scrawled underneath they have written 'we have now cancelled your appointment with the consultant in August'. So we don't even get to see him.

If you have read all this, thanks for sticking with me.

I am tempted to complain but don't think it would do any good- by the time someone rang me about the 16 week appointment I had already sent the threatened letter of complaint and I was told this would be taken seriously and investigated and after the MC I would be emailed with the results so that I could choose when to read when I was feeling OK. I never heard from them again.

What should I do?

OP posts:
MDobson · 30/05/2012 14:55

Hi WhyAlwaysBoris,

My sincere and heartfelt sympathies for you loss and terrible ordeal.
I saw your story on thisiscroydontoday.co.uk. I work at the London Evening Standard and wondered if you could get in touch with me? By phone on 07897395310 or by email on [email protected]. I would greatly appreciate you getting in contact. I will of course be mindful of the sensitivity of your case and handle it with the utmost delicacy.

Thank you, Miranda.

WhyAlwaysBoris · 15/06/2012 19:40

Hello all, just an update on what has been happening.

I?m enormously not impressed.

This is very long, but I?m really keen that no-one later tries to claim that the trust actually did help me, so I?m posting the details that prove otherwise.

As you will know from my original post I didn?t think there was much point in contacting the trust to complain since I had previously sent them a formal written complaint that they promised they would take very seriously, and then ignored.

However, after my post there was a lot of talk about how I ought to give it another go along with that flannel from the chief exec about how ?patient experiences are very important in terms of lessons learned and demonstrating the need to improve quickly?.

So I did contact them. I asked if I could have a copy of my notes and an appointment with the consultant.

This didn?t seem excessive to me since the consultant had said he wanted to see us in three months to discuss the results of our tests & he arranged an appointment for us.

This meeting was then postponed from May to the end of August and then cancelled altogether, so it was not as if I was trying to jump the queue or ask for special treatment or anything. It was really just asking them to do what they ought to be doing anyway.

Anyway they said I could have my notes for £35 which I?m obviously not prepared to pay as it is clearly not good to start incentivising this level of dysfunction.

They then asked me if I?d go to a meeting with them, which worried me, frankly, as I didn?t want to a meeting just so they could then say they?d had one and yet not listen to a word I said, but we thought we?d better give them the benefit of the doubt and said we?d go.

I didn?t hear anything so after 5 days I chased the email and was told the person had received it, just hadn?t got round to replying yet.

DH and I had said we could do Mon-Thurs the next week and I also said I couldn?t take calls at work on my mobile, I asked them to call DH instead- I gave them his name and number.

They didn?t contact us once Mon- Thurs, but on Friday afternoon they rang us 11 times in total on my landline and my mobile. They didn?t ring once on the number I had asked them to. Not quite sure what the thinking there was.

The reason I?d said Mon- Thurs was because the Friday was the due date of our baby and we didn?t want to be bothered. (To be fair the trust probably didn?t know it was the due date). But not great for us that they rang me 5 times on my mobile during the two hour period we were in a counselling session.

At any event the person then sent me an email with a suggested date, stating that she was going away but had copied in two other people who could deal with it in her absence.

I sent an email back, carefully copying in the other two people so that I?d be sure someone read it, stating that I would only be willing to attend the meeting if they had bothered to find me a new date for a meeting with the consultant.

I also reiterated that they were not to call me at work on my mobile but to call DH instead.

We then heard nothing until Friday when they rang me (again on my mobile at work when I?d now asked them twice not to). I was in a meeting and the person who left the message did not leave their name, just the name of the department and the number.

So I rang back at lunchtime and explained I needed to speak to whoever there had rung me. The person who answered the phone then said, (and I?m not making this up), ?I haven?t rung you and no-one else here has been using the phones this morning, so you must have the wrong department? so I said, ?but they left this number? and she said ?perhaps someone from another department rang you and left this number? (because that?s likely Confused) so I said they mentioned the name of their department on the message and asked if they could please check, at which point there was a silence and then someone else came on the line who had called me that morning (possibly she hid under her desk to do it, so the other person didn?t see).

I pointed out that I had asked twice previously not to be called at work and she said no-one had told her. She then asked if I was coming to the meeting and I?d said I?d sent an email about it. To which she said, well I don?t think anyone can have read that since they just asked me to ring you.

She did, however, promise that she would get someone to ring me on Monday without fail.

No-one rang on Monday, obviously. Or Tuesday for that matter.

But on Wednesday I got a text from the hospital stating that I had a new appointment the following week and on Thursday there was a letter in the post stating the same thing.

So you?d think that was fair enough- I?d said I?d only go to the meeting the following Monday if I?d got a date for an appointment with my consultant, and now here I am with an appointment. Lucky me!

But I thought it was odd that they sent me a standard appointment letter but didn?t bother to call us or send us an email saying ?yep, we?ve done that appointment for you to see the consultant as you asked so please will you come to the meeting?. This made me suspicious because it was rather familiar to me?..

When they moved my meeting from May/August and I complained, I was told by the consultant?s sec she would try to get me an earlier one and ring me the next day. She didn?t ring me and when I rang her the following day it was as if we had never spoken and she said I should wait for a letter. When I got the letter I could see why she?d avoided calling me since the letter gave me an appointment with a more junior doctor, and not the consultant who?d asked to see us. The letter also cancelled the later date appointment with the consultant. They hadn?t asked me if it was OK to do this, just presented it as a fait accompli.

I was a bit worried about another fait accompli this time as, although beyond the bounds of normal behaviour, it wouldn?t actually surprise me If I went to the meeting with the trust on Monday on the understanding that I?d got a later consultant appointment only to find out afterwards that it wasn?t really an appointment with the consultant, but by which time they wouldn?t care as they?d have had their meeting.

So I sent them a quick email this morning saying just checking this appointment you?ve made for me actually is with the consultant and not really with someone else.

They then rang my husband, and guess what- yep it wasn?t really with the consultant after all. It was really with a more junior doctor who we?d never met before.

The woman then had the enormous nerve to be quite superior with DH on the phone, trying to argue that it didn?t matter that it was a different person!

Not, oh sorry about all the phone calls on the number you asked me not to call you on, sorry no-one read your email, sorry we?ve tried to pull a fast one and been really dishonest with you YET AGAIN. She ended the conversation by saying she would ?diarise a later appointment for a meeting with the trust? after we?d been able to see the consultant?!!!

A few hours later we received an email from someone else there with a new appointment time for a meeting at the trust, along with directions, as if we?d actually asked for/ agreed to this!

Unless they?ve got a team of wild horses to drag us there we obviously won?t be going.

Despite this being a very long post, at this point, words fail me.

OP posts:
HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey · 15/06/2012 20:57

You have been treated so awful and their lack of organisation and compassion leaves me lost for words.

I remember up thread someone from the Croydon Advertiser posted, it has been deleted now but their NN is reportercro maybe you should consider talking to them about this whole farce.

I hope despite the extra distress this all must be causing you, you and your dh are ok.

WhyAlwaysBoris · 18/06/2012 16:10

Hi HC, thanks for your message.
We are doing ok, second MC has finished now, twas a bit grim but can't be helped.
Newspaper route not really my thing, am happy for it to be on MN where hopefully other mums to be will know to avoid this hospital like the plague, but a bit different in print for a general audience.
Actually feel much better since we decided to have no more of their games, and get shut of them, AND, rather brilliantly, we have just been given a dog and he's just lovely. It has given us lots of happiness and we feel so lucky to have him. thanks for your support

OP posts:
Squitten · 18/06/2012 16:34

Wow, you've been treated so very badly!

I'm really shocked because I had my DS2 there 18mths ago and had a great experience all the way through. Funnily enough, my experience of KCH was appalling when I had DS1 nearly 4yrs ago. I really hope that you get some redress for what happened to you.

Makes for interesting reading for me, considering TTC DC3 next year. Makes me think a homebirth will definitely be the way forward!

WhyAlwaysBoris · 18/06/2012 16:39

Squitten really glad it was OK for you there, judging by people's replies to my thread you got off very lightly. Maybe i'll bump into you on a TTC thread or fingers crossed one of the antenatal ones, good luck with your TTC. Oh and lots of posters had good words to say about St Georges, so maybe thats another option for us :)

OP posts:
Shagmundfreud · 18/06/2012 17:07

Good grief, that is a terrible story.

But if I'd heard that and hadn't known it was Mayday/CUH, I would have suspected it.

There is something uniquely shite about organisational issues at that hospital.

Losing notes, midwives not turning up for clinics, appointments with consultants being moved or cancelled, poor communication, losing test results........ It's something you hear A LOT.

I worked there a few years ago. Lasted 9 weeks. I have never, never experienced such a toxic workplace. I was ill with stress afterwards for about a year.

Boris - good luck to you. Definitely agree that you should see about going to St Georges or Kings for any future maternity care.

WhyAlwaysBoris · 19/06/2012 10:11

Hi Shagmundfrued that is a very good MN N/Name!

It is so interesting what you say about the toxic workplace- I have wondered how they manage to mess up so consistently with me, surely by the law of averages they would have done something better by now, maybe that explains it.

My workplace can be slighty eccentric and not at all cutting edge about management etc but i'm pretty no-one there would ever think it is ok to fib to clients or to not return their calls, generally ignore what they say etc. I think it is intesting you couldn't put up with working at Mayday.

The mad thing is I've only ever met lovely docs and nurses there, and i do wonder how the clinical staff cope with all this crap going on around them, it must be so frustrating.

OP posts:
StepOutOfSpring · 19/06/2012 10:25

Sorry to hear what's been happening, OP.

I have come across very similar things at another hospital. Notes which were "not in the system" (several times). Appointments just cancelled for no reason. Dishonesty about waiting list times.

Extremely frustrating and particularly unfair to those who are too ill to fight their corner.

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey · 20/06/2012 09:30

MorningBoris

I am so pleased to hear you and dh are doing ok, the dog sounds like a great addition to the family and a reason to be cheerful.

I can totally understand why you don't want to go down the newspaper route. This is my dh's friends daughter. They are pursuing the matter, it was an appalling situation.

I am hoping to have a 3rd dc soon and i will be going back to the PRU in Farnborough, i refused to go to the Mayday (can't help but call it that) both times.

sophiekg · 01/08/2012 16:28

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

bigtel · 13/09/2012 22:52

I really feel for you, this is not normal treatment and I feel that you have put all your concerns together already in this email, so you have already started the process to complain, I changed hospitals when I got terrible treatment 18 years ago, and received very different and lovely care at the new one. I am sorry to hear that you have had to put up with this, good luck for the future.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread