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To be really narked with this FB status re vaccinations?

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 10:38

A FB friends has put this as thier FB status

"How can my unvaccinated child be a risk to your vaccinated child is vaccines work?"

He has a history of putting stuff about vaccines, linking them to autism etcf.

DS is 5 months and was sent home form nursery on Tuesday with a rash and they have case of measles. DS has suspected measles so I am a little sensitive.

I have already responded to this status (and I know I should have ignored) saying "You're right vaccines don't work. Small pox got bored and went away. Correlation is causation and Daily Mail scare stories are much better than actual science."

Then someone else commented that an unvaccinated child is not a greater risk than a vaccinated child.

That narked me so I commented that they clearly don't understand how "risk" works.

There are now a few more comments on the "thread" in support of not vaccinating.

Am I irrationally annoyed by this today. Arrgh

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 10:39

Sorry - spelling not good due to rage :)

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2shoes · 10/05/2012 10:39

block him or hide him

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 10/05/2012 10:43

Just hide it - it is her choice re vaccinations although she is a bit of an idiot putting it on fb..maybe she is spoiling for a fight!

Fb has been very wierd this week!

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 10:45

I know I should block or hide. :) I know.

Betty I agree it's his choice re vaccinations but... he doesn't even have children! For some reason this make me even more annoyed (but I am having a day where I am not the most rational!)

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ArielThePiraticalMermaid · 10/05/2012 10:45

Nob.

YANBU. Ask him how he would like his kid to have a bout of polio.

Groovee · 10/05/2012 10:46

Invite his child for a playdate and see how he enjoys having a child with measles and the worry which goes for it.

A friend at school didn't have the whooping cough vaccine as it had caused fits in her cousins so her parents were advised not to give them it.

HipHopOpotomus · 10/05/2012 10:48

how does not vaccinating protect pregnant people from Rubella for example?

I LOST my immunisation to it when PG with DD2 - had I been exposed to Rubella during early PG (there are outbreaks as there are now so many unimmunised kids) DD2 could have been born blind or even with more serious complications. Unvaccinated children were a huge potential risk to my baby.

Yet parents have said to me they didn't immunise against Rubella as it's not harmful to their children!!! Well it might have been very harmful to them, if their mother was exposed to rubella while PG.

ThatGhastlyWoman · 10/05/2012 10:49

I have some friends like that. Having looked after someone who had the very rare complication that you can get with measles, I am inclined to get my daughter vaccinated despite the (less likely) potential side effects.

I am also very grateful that she has had all her vaccinations to date, as I now have a case of suspected Whooping Cough which could have been very dangerous and unpleasant at her age. However, this has made me worry about whether there are people around me whose children haven't been vaccinated as I'm terrified in case I've passed it on to them.

yakbutter · 10/05/2012 10:52

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 10:54

I can understand people worrying about the risks of vaccinations. I totally can. I was worried, looked into it, weighed up the evidence and chose to vaccinate. I understand that was my choice

But I just cannot get my head round someone saying vaccinations don't work. Tell that to the 3rd world and cut all the vaccination programmes then. Tell me where small pox went.

I cant get my head round someone not understanding that a unvaccinated child is a greater risk of spreading a vaccine prevetable disease than a non vaccinated child.

Arrgh.

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bigjoeent · 10/05/2012 10:54

Its herd immunity, if 95% (think that is the figure) of people are vaccinated, it protects the small percentage of people who cannot have vaccinations for medical reasons. Its one of the reasons that the MMR scandal has caused such problems, people with healthy children not having them vaccinated due to an unscientific "experiment" and the consequent press scare. He is an idiot.

toobreathless · 10/05/2012 10:55

Poor DS. Hope he feels better soon.

She is clearly as thick as s**t. Her unvaccinated child is a risk to every baby below the age of vaccination (like your DS) not to mention all those adults & children who are more susceptible to infection.

I hate it when people use FB to bombard other people with things like this. I would block her.

Out of interest our nursery requires dates of all vaccinations prior to starting. I doubt they can insist on vaccination (I think this would be discrimination) but one mother who I know has chosen not too vaccinate has been on the waiting list over a year. My DD (same age) was given a place immediately.

boxyfoxy · 10/05/2012 10:57

basically he's an ignorant twat. He should go spend some time in a country that isn't blessed with freely available modern medicine, and have a good close look at kids blind and disabled because they had measles when they were babies.. and then go to the orphanages to have a look at the wonderful unvaccinated kids there who have contracted polio.. might wake him up a bit, but the fact is people who don't vaccinate their kids are relying on everyone else vaccinating their kids so their dcs don't get these horrible nasty diseases. selfish twats.

takingiteasy · 10/05/2012 10:59

Sounds like he really needs to get a clue.

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 10:59

Thanks toobreathless - he seems a bit better today but it is still a worry (he is my PFB :) )

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Pagwatch · 10/05/2012 10:59

Block him.
I get urritated by any lecturing FB updates

Toobreathless. My dd is not vaccinated. She goes to school and went to nursery just fine. I doubt that she is on the waiting list because of her unvaccinated status.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 10/05/2012 11:01

Well if he doesnt have kids then he is a complete nob....why is he even asking this question??

yakbutter · 10/05/2012 11:01

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GrahamTribe · 10/05/2012 11:02

"I doubt they can insist on vaccination (I think this would be discrimination) but one mother who I know has chosen not too vaccinate has been on the waiting list over a year. My DD (same age) was given a place immediately."

That's a disgraceful way of treating someone in a supposedly free country. I hope they let the parents know why they're being overlooked. Personally I wouldn't want my child at a nursery which plays games like that.

catgirl, if you don't like what the person says, challenge them if they and/or the topic really, really matters to you or block them if they don't/it doesn't.

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 11:03

I don't want to bash - I don't but surely there is not doubt that an unvaccinated child is presents a risk of contracting and spreading a vaccine preventable disease?

Serioulsy - not bashing and if someone can tell me that's wrong I will listen but...well......it just can't be can it?

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toobreathless · 10/05/2012 11:04

Pagwatch interesting. Children are three weeks apart in age. Live in same village, want some number of hours (fulltime). Neither has any additional needs. I assumed knowing they were on waiting list & had been for over 6 months at that point we wouldn't get a place. Manager rung me back the next week. They are still waiting.

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 11:04

Sorry - I barely make sense today!

Hopefully you know what I mean....

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picnicbasketcase · 10/05/2012 11:05

Sounds like someone trying to get a reaction. A troll, basically. Especially if he doesn't even have a child anyway. Does he usually post things like 'Curry for tea. Yum.' that don't get any comments?

AMumInScotland · 10/05/2012 11:06

The problem is that people genuinely don't understand how risk works - the idea of probabilities and percentages and the relative impact of an unvaccinated child vs the fact that no vaccine is 100% effective are a complete mystery to huge numbers of people.

So, the fact that a small number of vaccinated children are still at risk gets translated as "vaccination doesn't work", even though it works say 95% of the time, and more so if herd immunity protects the rest (and the unvaccinated)

But that sort of thing is just not the way that a lot of people think - they read headlines and hear uneducated opinions and lack the understanding to question them.

If they understand, weigh up the risks of vaccination side-effects vs risks of not vaccinating, and make their choice, then fair enough. But people like your friend don't seem to actually understand the principles involved.

GrahamTribe · 10/05/2012 11:06

toobreathless, I'm another who's raised unvaccinated DC and never had any nursery or school ask whether they've been jabbed or not.

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