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AIBU?

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To be really narked with this FB status re vaccinations?

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 10:38

A FB friends has put this as thier FB status

"How can my unvaccinated child be a risk to your vaccinated child is vaccines work?"

He has a history of putting stuff about vaccines, linking them to autism etcf.

DS is 5 months and was sent home form nursery on Tuesday with a rash and they have case of measles. DS has suspected measles so I am a little sensitive.

I have already responded to this status (and I know I should have ignored) saying "You're right vaccines don't work. Small pox got bored and went away. Correlation is causation and Daily Mail scare stories are much better than actual science."

Then someone else commented that an unvaccinated child is not a greater risk than a vaccinated child.

That narked me so I commented that they clearly don't understand how "risk" works.

There are now a few more comments on the "thread" in support of not vaccinating.

Am I irrationally annoyed by this today. Arrgh

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bigjoeent · 10/05/2012 13:17

Oh yes and Elvis is still alive

bumbleymummy · 10/05/2012 13:18

Emphatic, you didn't need t vaccinate though. You CHOSE to take that risk presumably because you weighed up the risks of vaccine vs risk of the disease and opted for the vaccine. Other people come to differnt conclusions. No one is forcing you to vaccinate for someone else's benefit.

MadameChin, babies are protected by their mother's antibodies. We don't have herd immunity to MmR in the UK.

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 13:19

Sorry Pagwatch

You are right

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bigjoeent · 10/05/2012 13:21

And we don't have herd immunity lies mainly with a manufactured scare due to the MMR vaccine causing autism. There is no proven link. If someone chooses not to vaccinate for other reasons, their choice, but a lot of people made a decision on faulty grounds.

Pagwatch · 10/05/2012 13:21

don't hang your head. It's aibu. It's like the mothership to rude fuckers.

But honestly bloke him. He sounds like a sanctimonious arse.
Anyone telling you what you should do about such important and personal decisions should be shunned.

bigjoeent · 10/05/2012 13:22

oops missed, *the reason

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 13:22

[GRIN]

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GrahamTribe · 10/05/2012 13:23

"I think the thread has been absolutely unanimous that he is a dick and you should block him"

You might enjoy telling him BOLLOCKS! in big bold letters before you do, catgirl.

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catgirl1976 · 10/05/2012 13:25

I did tell him about the thimerosal as if it was something I actually knew all by myself and didnt just find out from Pag a minute ago.......

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ImBetterThanYou · 10/05/2012 13:26

Just block them op. I didn't get DS vaccinated because I was worried about the autism connection - turns out it didn't matter what I did as he had autism spectrum disorder regardless of any vaccine :( .

Then i got a phonecall from a health professional telling me that his nursery had an outbreak of measles and I felt so guilty as he hadn't been vaccines and he could have caught it. We were on holiday luckily so he avoided the outbreak but it could have easily been a few weeks earlier or later. DS has now been vaccined and we're ttc a dc2 who will be getting all their vaccines too!

bumbleymummy · 10/05/2012 13:26

Bigjo, we have never had herd immunity to MMR - before or after Wakefield.

bumbleymummy · 10/05/2012 13:26

We also don't have herd immunity to whooping cough and you can't blame that on Wakefield :)

whomovedmychocolate · 10/05/2012 13:35

I had this conversation with a load of mums at the school gate the other day. Because 5% of vaccinations don't take one of them reckoned they were not worth the bother.

Turned into a bit of a barney really. I've immunised mine and one still got rubella but that's just tough really. Chances are the reason he survived, though he still got sick and was not disabled was the partial immunity he had.

Right now the entire school has been struck down with chickenpox though (a few kids are in hospital). We don't immunise for that although it can be nasty. I think it's a choice for parents to make once they have heard objective information on the vaccines, the illnesses and the impact on the community if their child becomes a carrier.

One thing is for sure, I kept mine off for a couple of days because I thought they might be incubating chickenpox because there are pregnant teachers in their classes and I didn't want to risk an unknown contagion being spread which might cause harm (NB we didn't know it was chickenpox at the time it was just a 'rash').

But posting anything re child health on FB is a hiding to nothing IME.

sashh · 10/05/2012 13:38

2shoes, many people's decision not to vaccinate has nothing to do with autism. It's not always just about the MMR either - although most of these threads do seem to focus on it in particular.

I think because a lot of people gave their children the other vaccines just not MMR. A friend of mine didn't let her child have MMR but did let him have the others. She didn;t do any detailed research but saw a couple of headlines.

Krumbum · 10/05/2012 13:44

Those things u stated are not infectious so irrelevant. Also it is the vaccinated person making the choice it is thei parents, I don't think its fair for a child to be put at risk because their parents cba or whatever to get their child vaccinated. It's the child that will suffer not the parent so why should it be up to them?

Krumbum · 10/05/2012 13:45

*it is not

Pagwatch · 10/05/2012 13:47

Oh dear god. You would abolish parental responsibility?

Emphaticmaybe · 10/05/2012 13:51

I'm not a saint Bumble my primary motives will always be the safety of my own child, but at the time I would have cheerfully not have had him vaccinated (we were in an area with a high uptake) as we had enough to deal with. However I am friends with someone who is deaf as his mother contracted Rubella while pregnant, after reading as much as I could regarding Wakefield, i realised the evidence was very poor compared to the reality of infectious disease damaged people.
Whether my intention was to give others the freedom to vaccinate or not is not the point, the fact is that my choice and others like me, have reduced the chances of your child getting sick.

However you are totally right I would never want any parent to feel forced into decisions they are not happy with, that right wins every time.

GrahamTribe · 10/05/2012 13:57

whomovedmychocolate - "I've immunised mine and one still got rubella but that's just tough really. Chances are the reason he survived, though he still got sick and was not disabled was the partial immunity he had.

You believe that? Can you explain how those of us who aren't immunised have managed to survive these illnesses without being disabled then?

Pagwatch, "Oh dear god. You would abolish parental responsibility? "

I've heard it all before now.

Krum, I'm not a child, my parents aren't making the decision not to have me vaccinated, I make that decision. What do you propose to do with me?

bigjoeent · 10/05/2012 14:01

Sorry, not specific enough, vaccination rates are now rising, for 2 & 5 year olds, nearly 95% in England and above that in Wales, Scotland etc. I know its a long haul but an article in BMJ did consider herd immunity on MMR a realistic goal.

As for whooping cough, I didn't mention it or blame Wakefield.

TheBigJessie · 10/05/2012 14:06

He's a trolling muppet. Block him!

As for vaccination, eh, make your own decisions. Just be half-way rational about them, and don't say stuff like "ASDs are ONLY caused by the MMR" or "all children, without exception for pre-existing conditions, should be vaccinated".

whomovedmychocolate · 10/05/2012 14:10

Believe what you like Graham. If you decide it doesn't matter if your kids cause life threatening illnesses in others, that's your thing. Only hope your superior attitude doesn't come and bite you later. But then, you'd probably think that was a conspiracy too.

GrahamTribe · 10/05/2012 14:19

"Believe what you like Graham. If you decide it doesn't matter if your kids cause life threatening illnesses in others, that's your thing. Only hope your superior attitude doesn't come and bite you later. But then, you'd probably think that was a conspiracy too."

whomovedmycnocolate you're extrapolating and attributing opinions to me which I have never expressed or held.

In fact, I didn't say that I believed anything. I asked you if you really believe that your immunised child who caught Rubella anyway would have gotten sick to the point that he was disabled or not survived at all had he not received the innoculation. I then asked if you could explain how many of us non-vaccinated people have managed to survive these illnesses without long-term ill effect.

I note that by turning on me to accuse me of having a "superior attitude" and to make accusations about something I didn't say in the first place you avoided answering that.

SphericalRotundities · 10/05/2012 14:19

Here is is - only 2 days to watch. You'll need your hankies...

www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=314734

GrahamTribe · 10/05/2012 14:24

Shall I link to footage of healthy children and adults who have never been vaccinated, Spherical? Where would you like me to start? Me? My DC? My nearly 70 year old mother? My late Grandfather, who lived until he was in his late 80s without experience of either a single vaccination or ill effects from having had measles and CP?

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