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Original poster

To wonder why all the people on Jeremy Kyle are so strange.

203 replies

rainydaysarebad · 09/05/2012 23:04

I'm no super model myself, but why do these people have bad teeth, bad skin, bad hair, loopy eyes like they're not with it? Many a time I have heard some of them refer to their partners bad hygiene too. They talk roughly and the women wear clothes that are too tight for them.

Ive been at home alot recently and am catching episodes of it all day. I am thoroughly shocked to say the least. Are these people really a true portrait of Britain's working class? I know it's stupid TV, but I am genuinely intrigued by these people and often sit mouth wide open at the stupid things they come out with and their stories in general.

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HillyWallaby · 10/05/2012 22:50

No usual it isn't which is why the government gives them an extra £3250 a year up front. Which bit of that do none of you understand?

usualsuspect · 10/05/2012 22:52

Which bit of your parents paying for everything don't you understand?

HillyWallaby · 10/05/2012 22:55

So some students get the government paying their rent, some get their parents paying it. The difference is....?

And some poor bastards get nothing from anyone and have to work their guts out and study at the same time.

usualsuspect · 10/05/2012 22:56

So its not exactly equal is it ?

HillyWallaby · 10/05/2012 23:02

Who cares so long as it's paid and they can go?

TheSecondComing · 10/05/2012 23:03

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HillyWallaby · 10/05/2012 23:05

What do you mean it's not equal? Do you mean for the kids in the middle band who are not exactly wealthy but qualify for no help? No it is not equal for them at all. But as they are probably MC and not exactly poor either no-one seems to give a stuff about them, or their stretched parents.

usualsuspect · 10/05/2012 23:06

Well I think its a lot easier if you have your parents to bail you out and you don't have to worry about money all the time , but you obviously don't . so lets agree to differ shall we,

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rainydaysarebad · 10/05/2012 23:08

BUT university and academia isn't the be all and end all is it? There are so many options out there these days - NVQ's and such like where they can work and gain qualifications. If they wanted to, they could do something with their lives - I don't think the UK is in the depths of despair just yet.

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usualsuspect · 10/05/2012 23:09

All the MN children go to university Wink

HillyWallaby · 10/05/2012 23:10

yes let's.

BertieBotts · 10/05/2012 23:46

Huh? I'm not saying the government should sort it out, just pointing out that your idea that everyone has the same access to education is flawed.

Also, sounds like a plot of a film? DP had to drop out of uni due to his parents being in extreme financial difficulty. Well, of course, he didn't HAVE to, but what kind of person would let their parents suffer if they had the means to help them?

NaughtyElephantsSquirtWater · 11/05/2012 00:14
NovackNGood · 11/05/2012 00:42

Well OP you see it's all to do with the benefits culture init.

In the past it would have been easy as those low lives would have had nothing but a mug of gin from whoring down the canal or whatever Bil Sykes or Fagin cast off to them after a day picking pockets and robbing down the docks. And lets face it the'd have been lucky to get out of their teens without being stabbed slashed dumped into the canal where the whoring folks would of course not called the rozzers but instead searched their bodies for anything of wealth then got back on with selling themselves. Generally most would never have got passed their 20's and none of us would have even know they existed after all why else visit town once you'd done your season.

Unfortunately some do gooders came along and cleaned out cheapside and the rozzers got themsleves sorted out (a bit) and started to put an end to some of the rampant criminality and it came about that helping the more unfortunate in society could be mark of a better society instead of leaving it just to the jesuits, brethern etc etc.

This meant that the price of Gin sky rocketed because the poor were no longer buying and the rich would only buy it if it was sufficiently expensive. They closed down the bear bating and cock fighting and that left a market for the enterprising Jeremy to come along

merrymouse · 11/05/2012 06:18

Hilly, I think the point is that theoretically everybody should have access to an education suitable to their needs and aptitudes regardless of background, even if they come from a completely dysfunctional family with no money or they grew up in care and if their parents were on the Jeremy Kyle show. This isn't my opinion, it is government policy.

You seem to be arguing that the state school system and money provided by the benefits system puts everybody on a level playing field re: access to education, others are arguing that it doesn't.

I don't think any MP of any party would agree with you (although they would all blame the problem on the previous administration).

HillyWallaby · 11/05/2012 08:17

Oh fuck it, I have just typed the longest post ever answering your points, and it just went poof! Grrrrr.

Anyway, basically, there is no such thing as a level playing field, in education or indeed in life, Never has been, never will be, never can be.

All I am is saying is that comments like:

There is (no access) to education at university level if you can't afford to pay'

are misleading, and damaging. It does not inspire poorer kids to believe they are entitled to go and are capable of going, if they grow up hearing that kind of rhetoric. You may as well just say 'it's not for the likes of you'.

I was asked for some hard figures on funding poorer students, and I gave them.

I am off this thread now, not because I have run out of things to discuss but but because it has iturned out to be the biggest hijack ever, and not all of my doing. Apologies OP. Smile

yakbutter · 11/05/2012 15:35

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Moominsarescary · 11/05/2012 16:28

Never mind uni, some children miss so much school due to parents not taking them/ keeping them off for one thing or another that they won't even get the 3-5 gcses at c and above they need to get into collage.

You need at least 3 c's and above to get an apprenticeship or to go to college to become an electrician now.

slowestwildebeast · 11/05/2012 16:58

"Ive been at home alot recently and am catching episodes of it all day."

Well I suggest you stop as it appears to be turning you into a judgemental individual who can't spell.

"It really is a disgusting programme. The DNA tests they do to find out the father: utterly disgraceful. There seems to be a lack of self control or morals in these people. I guess I have lived a sheltered life - but I can recognize the types walking down the street."

Good for you and your sheltered life, at least 'these people' don't have to wear a star or identifying badge for you to look at them with such disgust!

I'm turning into a professionally offended chump!

ItsAPublicForumWhine · 11/05/2012 17:03

It sound like (just my impression from the posts) hilly is bitter that they don't qualify for benefits for their kids for uni and is assuming that the grants and finance are enough for those who receive them, which isn't true at all.

AlphabetAppleTree · 11/05/2012 18:30

My dp was also abused as a child and has seriously neglected his teeth as a result, he has lost most of them now. He cannot bear anything apart from food and drink in his mouth Sad.

But hey ho he is just a 'toothless inbred' hey,

His grandad raped his mother when she was 17. Dp is the result.

I hate this fucking thread.

NovackNGood · 11/05/2012 18:58

least 'these people' don't have to wear a star or identifying badge for you to look at them with such disgust!

Well said slowestwildebeast.

AliveSheCried · 12/05/2012 09:41

Hey, OP, i DO think its disgraceful pointing and sniggering over people on a notoriously exploitative tv show who have, no doubt had seriously fucked up difficult lives. Do you think you would be overly concerned about your appearance if you had a violent partner, screwed up family, mental health issues? I said i cant believe people like you exist because its such a smug narrow minded judgemental and uncompassionate post. Be grateful, in a other life it might have been you on that stage being mocked by the outraged middleclasses. Maybe you should channel your concern into doing something practical rather than sitting around on here voicing your shock at their appearance?

porcamiseria · 14/05/2012 16:02

Ever since I read about that poor poor family that died, I am even more pleased I never posted on this thread Sad

Mummy2FE · 15/05/2012 00:35

I'm with Zookeeper and most of Erik's comments (bar those about going to the dentist Wink).

In my job I work with individuals, many of whom are on the periphery socially, due to issues such as substance misuse, offending behaviour, mental health, abuse and poverty, which render them vulnerable- and therefore fair game to shows such as JK for cheap entertainment and it makes me very cross.

Appearing on shows such as JK can serve to ostracise these individuals more from society in my opinion, by making them subject to ridicule and cross examination by Jezza who delights in talking down to people who he knows often don't have the awareness or skills to articulately put him back in his box.

Folk who appear on JK are real and do exist.