To wonder why all the people on Jeremy Kyle are so strange.

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I'm no super model myself, but why do these people have bad teeth, bad skin, bad hair, loopy eyes like they're not with it? Many a time I have heard some of them refer to their partners bad hygiene too. They talk roughly and the women wear clothes that are too tight for them.

Ive been at home alot recently and am catching episodes of it all day. I am thoroughly shocked to say the least. Are these people really a true portrait of Britain's working class? I know it's stupid TV, but I am genuinely intrigued by these people and often sit mouth wide open at the stupid things they come out with and their stories in general.

I think you get paid about 500 quid to go on. That means that people who are desperately short of dosh will want to go on.

We don't have much, but I would want a hell of a lot more to air my dirty linen (or make something up) on TV. I think that generally the people who go on are absolutely desperate.

Are you so broke and unable to come up with any other way of getting a bit of money/out of debt, that you would do that to get it?

So if people do not have mh problems, they are not vulnerable? Ha ha good one hilly
what makes a person go on tv to be ridiculed by the likes of the pp if there is not something seriously wrong in their lives?

Jesus this thread smacks of victorians viewing a freak show. I grew up on a terrible estate. I didnt know it at the time. As a single parent family, we lived in a council house on a large estate that slowly degenerated.

You wouldnt know my background. I had an amazing career in a large company. Decent cars and a well off DH. But when I look back i'm horrified at what was so commonplace to me, I thought it was normal. Friends who had been sexually abused, friends mothers having baby after baby with different dads, friends who's fathers were in prison for domestic violence/attempted murder. Another friend had older siblings in prison for drug dealing. But, the majority of the people i knew were kind, loving, victims of the care system or products of their environment.

If you were adopting a child from this kind of background, you'd love and nuture them not point and stare! It horrifies me now to think of some of the things i heard about growing up. And i'd fight tooth and nail to ensure my girls dont experience the same.

But i'm a decent, hardworking respectable person. I've never taken drugs, have perfect teeth etc if that gets your goat. But i was once 'one of these people'.

lack of access to education

didn't get the benefit of the education middle class children get.

Whilst I agree with much of what some of you are saying about the vulnerable and the poor, etc, can anyone please explain the above comments to me?

What child is not afforded access to the same free state education as every MC child in the UK? What child in the UK is told they cannot go to university because they are from the wrong class or because they can't pay?

Don't be so silly. I understand all the reasons why children from disadvantaged/dysfunctional backgrounds freqently fail to achieve in education, they are very complex and we need to work on that, but to say they do not have access to the same education as MC children is just an outright lie.

these people are not really working class are they , most dont work and dodge about all day having sex with everybody else and then commenting on facebook , take drugs drink gallons all before teatime , maybe if they had something else to fill their time they would be better they are odd looking because they dont take care of themselves low self esteem probably ,

hilly there are kids out there who don't get fed, what makes you think education is top of their parents prioriries?!

What child in the UK is told they cannot go to university --- because they can't pay?

Every person who can't afford it. Have you seen the fees? Loans/grants only pay a proportion, usually you'll need extra money to survive.

I agree with you hilly all children in the Uk have the same education available and it is free . but these children lead chaotic lives mostly the parents will keep them home because they sleep in or cant be arsed taking them to school , parents in crisis tend to keep their children home as its to much to actually get out the door in the morning , this is just my expereince of parents i have worked with they just dont have the motivation to take their kids to school so the children end up in the same boat , it is an endless cycle , and i wish some posters wouldnt refer to M C children , there is millions of W C parents who care about their childrens education ,

I can't watch this show at all. That said, when it first aired I did and yes, I laughed at these people and was shocked at the fact such people existed. Then within a day or two of watching I felt this almighty shame. Essentially it dawned on me, this show is like a modern day travelling freak show! 'These' people are some of the most vulnerable people in our society, with children who are even more so. So, what do we do? We exploit and exploit some more. Much like Britains Got Talent (admittedly this show is no where near as bad as JK but still it's what we as a nation now do for entertainment).

A member of my family works in the youth service as a social worker and she tells me frequently that the people she deals with see JK as a goal in life, a medal of honour as it were.

I don't know what the solution is other than not watching such mind rottening crap but that doesn't mean these people cease to exist, does it? I wish I had the answer.

Hillly I don't agree with yor point about access to education. some parents, mine included, did not value education in the slightests and discouraged me and my siblings from having any educatonal aspirations at all.

MM I know very well what priorities some parents have, but the education is there and free for the taking. There is no lack of access.

What those posts should read is:

'....children whose parents failed to ensure they accessed education'

'....didn't get the benefit of structure and support at home, in order that they could thrive in education'

But that is a whole other issue. But no, let's just word everything so that nothing is ever an individual's fault, and always the fault of 'society' or the state.

A friend of mine did agency nursing at the Granada studio (in case Ken Barlow fell over sort of thing), but she refused to work on the JK show. They bring people in the night before the show and put them up in a hotel with free flowing booze and had shoe staff winding them up constantly and then letting them loose on the stage. She described it as being like Victorian bear bating for humans.

There is no lack of access.

There is to university level if you can't pay for it.

Yes mirry I understand, and see my post above.

At this point I should say my Stepdad worked with a man who went on the Trisha show with his wife who wanted a baby in her 60s I think...from what I remember. They got paid and had a night in a 'nice' hotel apparently. I always think of Alan Partriidge at this point because the Trisha was filmed in Norwich wasnt it and the naice hotel was most probably where he 'lived'

No there is not IAPF. There are, and always have been grants and bursaries to help students from very low income families. Currently a child from a low income family is incurring approximately £3k a year less debt than my son at university, and that is before any bursaries, which average at £1k per year.

(not sure about situation with new fee structure but I am talking about now.)

No it's not an individual child's fault if their parents don't value education! That is a societal issue.

Hilly,

i take your point but i think there a lot of children who do lack access, a statutory requirement for schooling is not enough to guarantee access to education even a very basic, no frills one.

Assuming all children do have access to education because the law says so is a lie an an unhelpful one as it assumes no other intervention is required

I did grow up with children who didn't go to school, one married off before the age of 14, one spent most of her childhood staying home from school to care for an alcoholic mother.

i taught chidlren who eventually fell through the very many cracks in the system and lost all access to education. A 14 year old on the street might have an entitlement to education but they have precious little access.

Yes there is hilly, you are wrong.

I think JK uses a travel lodge I dont think its a fancy hotel there has been to many people wrecking rooms , oh today is about PPI implants , so no toothless drunks today

Tv exploits people's problems and foibles for entertainment thinly disguised as 'concern'. I think it's appalling. Big brother/reality tv is another example. Yes, 'bear baiting' is a good description.

I really feel it should be stopped. I also hate those documentaries that focus on someone with a terrible condition. It's no more than pointing and staring. How does it help anyone?

Hilly I am referring to the ten or so DC I was at school with who were prevented from accessing A-Levels due to needing to work to support their younger siblings, or the children down my road who were constantly ill because their single mum abused alcohol and frequently gave them food poisoning and bugs from not cleaning the house. Or the kids who became homeless because their abusive Dads kicked them out. They do not have the same access to education in terms of lifestyle. Many were simply told, "Your not going to school anymore" and had to do as they were told. There was a genuine battle on the hands on many of my peers to get into sixth form because their parents disliked the idea. What the law states doesn't mean much in that kind of context. And some kids use school hours to truant and go and sit in the park. Its the only time they get to be free - one boy I knew at school would walk to some fields and look for insects for a collection he kept in his locker. He wasn't allowed out the house after school and his Dad said his collection was for "gays". The teachers must have known but they left him to it. Its never black and white.

And MM I did not say that you cannot be vulnerable unless you have MH problems. Stop twisting. There are very vulnerable people without MH problems. There are also very offensive, anti-social, aggressive, feckless people without MH problems and who are not especially vulnerable - they are just unpleasant idiots.

and what about kids who are illiterate still at 16. they exist, I know we like to think they don't but when they struggle and have a very low attendance due to whatever factors. Some do get to senior school with less than a basic grasp - the humiliation leads to many of these kids dropping out of school.

Explain why I am wrong please IAPF.