To wonder why all the people on Jeremy Kyle are so strange.

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I'm no super model myself, but why do these people have bad teeth, bad skin, bad hair, loopy eyes like they're not with it? Many a time I have heard some of them refer to their partners bad hygiene too. They talk roughly and the women wear clothes that are too tight for them.

Ive been at home alot recently and am catching episodes of it all day. I am thoroughly shocked to say the least. Are these people really a true portrait of Britain's working class? I know it's stupid TV, but I am genuinely intrigued by these people and often sit mouth wide open at the stupid things they come out with and their stories in general.

There's a few more posters from this thread to add to muy shit list

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Yes I know Mirry, and I thank you for that. But those other two comments from the posters I have written about above were uncalled for.

Hilly, if free education is provided for all children, why is there endless angst on MN re-school choice?

Well without wanting to derail the thread and go even further off topic, I'm not sure how I am supposed to answer that, or exactly what your point is . However:

There is free education available for all children (assuming the parents avail themselves of it)

There will always be angst on MN over school choice because MN, by and large, are an intelligent and choosy bunch, who agonise over such things.

And as for the rest of the population, most parents who care have noticed that schools in leafy MC areas tend have better results than schools that are not. They will do what they can to get there kids to a place where the results are strong.

Some people are determined to stay loyal to their local school and their local community no matter what the challenges, and that is their perogative and their intentions are sound and admirable.

Some other people just don't give a shit where their children go, just so long as they are not bothering them.

So, not really an equal education or experience then?

Again, I am not quite sure what your point is.

sorry had an errant 'there' there when I meant 'their'.

What 'nous'? Do working class people in poor areas not have nous? what is nous, anyway?

"Do working class people in poor areas not have nous?"

Well, clearly the ones on the Jeremy Kyle show are in that subset of people who are poor and don't have nous. (As opposed to the subset of people who are rich and don't have nous, but decide to appear on Made in Chelsea instead).

Of course not many people get the chance to go on Made in Chelsea, because although there are plenty of people without nous in the world, only the really rich ones get to appear on Made in Chelsea.

Maybe one day they will make a TV programme called "A bit thick, but not that rich or poor either". Maybe one already exists.

Its not about 'nous' it's about money , Money buys you a better education , money pays for the tutoring to get children into the grammar schools , money pays to help your children through university.

Hilly, what you are describing in such factual, basic detail is merely the means by which some children from these kind of environments manage to slip through the cracks and escape - most of them don't.

Besides, even with the grants/loans, there are hidden costs. How do you pay for the baby you had at 15? How do you send money home to your parents/sister/grandparents who are hopelessly in debt or have alcohol problems or are rubbish at managing money, when they phone you up desperate because the rent is overdue and they're going to be evicted? How do you fund the alcohol, tobacco or drugs habit you picked up in your teens? How do you deal with having absolutely no money management skills, spending your entire grant/loan in one term, and not having family with money to bail you out? Only one need apply, but several might.

What if you don't have the £20 to apply via UCAS?

I will download that book yak.

Or, a lovely example from work today - how do you deal with an older brother who uses your name to skip train fares or apply fraudulently for things which mean that bailiffs end up chasing you?

op Jeremy Kyle is aiming his show of humilating and degrading people for the likes of you. you have fallen into his trap of looking down at these gastly horrid people

though if you were a little more intelligent you would have seen that coming and switched off

How do you pay for the baby you had at 15?

There is a whole different part of the student finance plan to deal with that (see my link)

How do you send money home to your parents/sister/grandparents who are hopelessly in debt or have alcohol problems or are rubbish at managing money, when they phone you up desperate because the rent is overdue and they're going to be evicted?

Good grief, I don't know but it sounds like the plot of a film, and not something that the bastards at the student finance place bothered to factor in at all when they were thinking about what students need in order to be able to survive while they study. How remiss of them.

How do you fund the alcohol, tobacco or drugs habit you picked up in your teens?'

Ditto.

Or, a lovely example from work today - how do you deal with an older brother who uses your name to skip train fares or apply fraudulently for things which mean that bailiffs end up chasing you?

Ok, you are just getting silly now. Seriously, what do you expect the government to do about that when considering how best to make sure poorer kids can access a university education?

I have a theory that they don't really look so bad in rl, but when they roll up to the jk studio, they are whisked into wardrobe and make up and deliberately made to look that bad in the name of entertainment, the usual being lots of roots, tracksuit bottoms with boots or heels or suit trousers with trainers and dodgy teeth/skin. Unfortunately the jk types in my smallish town tell me this is not true and there are people like this in rl.

Go cap in hand to students services to help fund your studies.

Parents pay your rent and give you an allowance to fund your studies.

Which one is easier?

Completely depends on the parents. Although many parentscannot really afford it but go without themselves or get into debt because they are not eligible for help but do not feel they can deny their child the chance to be on level pegging with their peers.

And some parents can't afford to fund their childrens education , no matter how much they go without.

And they are the ones who get the help usual, so what is the problem exactly?

I've read threads on here where parents give their kids hundreds a month to live on while they study.

Thats just not possible for all parents, even the ones that care

Its easier if your parents can fund it , surely thats obvious.

If you don't have to worry about money while you study.