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MIL called me an Evil Bitch. AIBU to have had enough.

127 replies

Voidka · 04/05/2012 11:55

I have posted before about MIL - she is overbearing and has had a dislike for me since DH and I met 12 years ago.

She likes to come over whenever she wants to, and thats okay but we are not always here. The latest argument came over Easter when she rang to see when we were going to be in, I told her and apparently that was me giving her an appointment slot.

She has since gone back to turning up whenever she feels like it.

She arrived last Thursday at 9.30am, all the children were at school/playgroup so she stayed 2 minutes and then left.

This morning I had to meet with the HT and the SENCo as we are about to apply for a statement for DS2. While I was there I put my phone on silent. I went into the meeting at 9am and got out at 10.20.

When I checked my phone I had 15 missed calls from MIL and 3 arsey texts. I rang her back to find she is sat outside my house and has been since 8.55. I told her I wasnt planning on coming home as I need to nip to the bank and to get some thread to sew on DS's scout badges.She told me that DH and told her that I had asked to change DD's preschool days which I was only doing to get back at her, and that DD and I should be here this morning so she can visit and see DD, then she hung up on me.

I then got a text which says 'why are you being such an evil bitch and stopping me see my granchildren, its not fair on me and I am going to speak to X (my DH) about your behaviour.'

I have had enough. I dont stop her seeing her grandchildren, but I have a life, and three children who need to be places and do things. I know DH will defend her because she is lonely and every time this happens I feel like our relationship dies a little more. In the past I have been accused of putting DD in clubs or classes just so we wont be at home - which isnt true, we just like going out to places.

AIBU? I am so cross I feel like telling her to arrange to see the children through DH and that I wont be available to meet in the week any more.

OP posts:
diddl · 05/05/2012 07:46

"agree with others that your DH is a big part of the problem"

Yes, because even if he is used to her ways, surely he can see that calling someone 15 times in a short space of time & then calling them an evil bitch for perceived slights are just, for want of better words not normal

Proudnscary · 05/05/2012 07:53

And I don't go along with posters who (kindly) suggest a gentle pushing along of dh and of helping her with mental health issues...

Anyone who has had first hand experience of a toxic, dangerous and manipulative close family member like this (I have) will conclude that it is best to completely disengage.

You have your own life and, far more importantly, you have dc who will 100% be hurt if not damaged by this woman. You don't owe her anything.

I say 'this woman' advisedly. Yes she is your dh's mother and your dc's grandmother. But put that aside for a minute. If anyone behaved or spoke the way she does to you would you countenance having them around you or in your life for one second longer?

It's like when a woman is punched by her partner. She loves him so wants to stay, wants to help him. She can't possibly call the police on her own partner! But if you asked her would she call the police on a stranger who punched her in the face? Of course she'd go to the police.

ledkr · 05/05/2012 07:58

Can i play devils advocate?
I have the pil from hell so i know what im on about.
Dh is very aware and understanding of the issues and is loyal to me and helps to problem solve eg.Lying about where we go on holiday or to get them to finally leave-I am not joking Hmm
However they are his parents and he does love them dearly and they were and are very good parents.
I adore him and couldnt bear to make him do anything that would make him sad and that includes being too forcefull with his parents.
Im not sure Id want to be married to anyone who wasnt loyal to their parents either.
We have found a way of getting around things without the need for any upset and i do think that is the way forward.
On the other hand though in this case it would appear that it has gone a bit too far for a few white lies but if you can get him to see your point of view its a start.
Can he not arrange certain days where he takes the kids to see his mum,its his responsibility to sort out his Mum not yours.

ledkr · 05/05/2012 08:02

btw i dont think the op's mil has mental health probs she just sounds insecure and lonely.
But if a family member did have mh problems I dont think any family member should just turn them away anymore than you would if your spouse or child developed mental illness. Just saying.

Proudnscary · 05/05/2012 08:06

Ledkr - Even if it impacted so negatively on your life that like, OP, that you are in a state of distress? Even if the children could be damaged? Even if it's affected your marriage? I think you are kind hearted and, in a fundamental way, right, but ime and imho it's far more important to protect yourself and your dc from a woman like this.

needsomesunshine · 05/05/2012 08:06

If you went to see the SENCO for another child couldn't you have left your dd with her? Do you always have to be there when she comes to visit? You don't seem to have mentioned her having the children without you being there. It's very easy to take 1 persons side when you don't hear the other persons viewpoint, especially on mumsnet. Just saying.

ledkr · 05/05/2012 08:14

proud I worked as an rmn so I do know about mh and yes I do think family need to step in and support.
I have an adult ds with kidney failure.I also have 4 other dc including a baby.I help to care for him,take him to hospital,help with forms and benefits,have to keep my phone with me at all times in case of a transplant am limited with holidays etc.It all impacts upon my life and other children but he is my family and he needs us.I dont see its any different with a mh problem.

In this case though,i dont think it sounds as if she has got one on the limited info so im not really sure why im banging on Grin

Proudnscary · 05/05/2012 08:29

ledkr - you are a better person than I am and I mean that straight up! You sound pretty fab.

BUT I still stand by my posts and think my way forward is the road to sanity! Wink

diddl · 05/05/2012 08:36

It can be difficult to stand up to parents.

But all Op´s husband needs to do atm is tell his mum that that isn´t acceptable behaviour on her part.

No threats about anything, just a straightforward "you cannot treat my wife like that".

Surely she does it because she can?

And she probably doesn´t care what OP thinks-but might think if her son calls her on it?

OlaRapaceFru · 05/05/2012 08:49

needsomesunshine, the OP's DD wasn't with her at the SENCO meeting, she was at pre-school that morning, which is the source of the current drama. The OP had changed her DD's pre-school days from a few days a week to five days a week so that DD could become accustomed to going to school full time. The mad MIL couldn't see the logic in this and accused the OP of changing the pre-school days just to spite her and then the OP's DH took his mad DM's side.

I have no words of wisdom to add, OP, as I've never been in this situation. But I sincerely hope that your conversation with your DH gets through to him and that he learns to stand up to his DM and tell her she can't behave this way towards you.

bronze · 05/05/2012 08:58

I am petty
But I would be tempted to call your mil an evil bitch to your dh
When he protests that you cant call her that reply
But it's alright for her to call me an evil bitch? Then show him the texts

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 05/05/2012 09:03

I agree very much with Proudnscary.

I spent ten years trying to work around my MIL and her demands so I didn't rock the boat and upset anybody. Sometimes the strategies for dealing with her while trying to maintain our own lives while keeping her happy when her attention turned to us were like playing Grandmaster Chess.

And nothing was ever good enough unless it was exactly the way MIL wanted it and neither she nor FIL cared if they hurt anyone else's feelings or caused upset within the family. They expected everyone's lives to stop or be put on hold at a moments notice to suit them on a whim.

When MIL resorted to making intrusive and finally offensive comments about the babies we lost to stillbirth and prematurity I had to say enough was enough.

I took a big step back from them and limited my contact with them. Still went to visit them, still had them to visit us, but we set ground rules so it was on our terms and let them know without a doubt that any more comments about the babies would be the end.

It didn't work. Instead they set up a stalking campaign against me, they did the 17 calls in a short space of time demanding to know where we were or to speak to me, they would park outside the house when they knew DH was at work and stare at the windows, if they saw me in the street they would follow me slowly in their car. Once they drove onto the pavement to block my way and nearly hit DS in his pram. If we went to the shop we had to pass their house and if we didn't call in they would ring the whole family to say we were ignoring them.

They made up lie after lie after lie about me, to the point that I think they believe them now. They wound BIL up so much that he called me a "fucking evil mad bitch" accusing me of lying about the things they said about the babies and disowned DH as his brother. FIL also disowned DH, said some awful things about me and told DH they were finished with us forever. A few weeks later they were calling us names because we hadn't been to see them and denied ever having the conversation where they told DH they didn't want to see us anymore because we were users who thought we were too good for them.

Over the phone MIL called me a bitch and wished my DH had never met me. Then she lied to DH about what had happened and said I had just attacked her verbally out of the blue (I hadn't said a bad word to her, I'd just refused to accept that MIL was in charge now and I would have to do as I was told. This is what she was shouting at me prior to the bitch comment.)

They pushed me to the point of illness, I had panic attacks and felt scared to go out in case I met them accidentally. I still do worry. Every time I open the blinds or curtains I worry that their car will be parked outside the house. If I open the front door I worry that they will be walking down the path. If I go shopping I expect to see them or realise they are following me. When I leave DS at nursery I wonder if they are parked somewhere, watching us. We got caller display because of the phone calls.

That's how bad it was. DH grew up being told that his mother suffered from depression and would have a mental breakdown if he ever upset her or said no to her. He's spent his life not rocking the boat to keep her happy. She's had no treatment, she takes no medication. And the depression only comes on if she is not the centre of attention and getting her own way.

And I truly believe that if FIL or some other adult had done something to stop her when DH and his siblings were children we would all be better for it now, MIL and FIL included. FIL has told SIL that he can cope with everything but MIL's stubbornness and need to get her own way all the time, yet all hell breaks loose if someone else feels the same way.

MIL will ring up and weep, then FIL will ring up and shout, and that pattern goes on until the person they are trying to manipulate gives in and does whatever it is they want.

MIL will tell DH she loves me and wants to make up with me but then she tells the rest of the family that she hates me and blames me for everything.

If someone had stood up to her years ago and told her she needed to get help if she really is depressed then everyone would be better off now. Loyalty can only go so far before it turns into something that supports the destructive behaviour and alienates everyone else.

The OP says her DH's loyalty to his mother is helping to destroy their marriage. I know what she means because I have felt the same about my DH when he defends his mother.

When she looked at the photo of our beautiful but tiny premature daughter and asked me if "she was born with all of her face intact?" I wanted to kill her. DH did snap at her that she could see all of our daughters face but within no time at all he was passing off her comment as "just coming out wrong." Yet he can't explain what she really meant by it and neither can she.

I may still have been doing what we always did, biting our tongues, finding massive little compromises to keep them happy, changing plans to keep the peace and telling myself it didn't matter but the experience of losing two babies in a short space of time was just too horrific to cope with. It's not something you get over or accept in a short space of time and within three days of our son being stillborn the nasty comments and intrusive behaviour had started. But still, for two years more I tried to make allowances before I reached the point of not being able to do it anymore.

I spent ten years doing it your way ledkr and if you are happy then good on you. But Proudnscary's way is the one that has brought peace and sanity back into our lives (mostly, we still get the odd text or phone call but DH deals with them now).

Proudnscary · 05/05/2012 09:06

Jesus, noones, I'm so sorry for all you went through. I think it is the only way. Glad you have found peace.

NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 05/05/2012 09:14

Thanks Proud Smile. That's not even the half of it. If I told you everything that had gone on and the trouble they have caused we would be here all day. I do feel bad that DH now has to deal with whatever drama they decide to throw at him, but to be honest it's the odd message or call once or twice a week compared to the barrage of daily abuse and pressure I was up against. Which he didn't see as he is in the forces and works away all week, whereas I was at home all day with a baby and our houses were in spitting distance of each other. I was a captive audience/unwilling cast member to whatever drama it was they felt like playing out that day.

The relief at not being there now (we had to sell our house and move to the other side of town) is immense.

pumpkinsweetie · 05/05/2012 09:17

I feel your pain, my mil is just as bad !!
Have no advice to give as i dont have the guts to stand up to her but i can see why you have had enough!!
We all have things planned and places to be and most mils come when asked but quite obviously your mil thinks the world revolves around her and expects everyone to jump to her bear

pumpkinsweetie · 05/05/2012 09:17

I meant beat not bear

bochead · 05/05/2012 09:28

Frankly I'd put my foot down.

I think adults should attempt to be good role models around young children, just with simple manners etc. The abuse you are being asked to endure isn't showing common decency as an exmemplar to you OR the chidren. She's not supportive in anyway of her family.

That was a very important school meeting if was about a statement. I'm shocked she didn't even bother to ask how it went - e.g about her grandchild's welfare. She can't see the idea of getting up to go to nursery 5 MORNINGS a week might be good prep for a child to start school - no interest in the grandchild's wefare.

Her narcissism is worrying - I wouldn't leave any child alone with someone that self-absorbed. It's not good parenting, and we all have that primary basic protective instnct.

Why should any mother allow someone who behaves in an unhinged harrassing way constantly around their children? Calling the primary carer abusive names and 15 phone calls in an hour is just not normal!

If your husband wants to take her to the GP to get her mental heath checked out - then he should. (only he'd know if she's always been this way or if her behavior is a recent thing that could be the first warning shots of dementia).

Jenny70 · 05/05/2012 09:32

Poor you, she sounds very self centred and narcissistic....

I just told my DH about the gist of this thread, and his reply was "MIL might be lonely, but not as lonely as her husband is about to be!"

Definitely spell out to DH that if he can't defend you and reason with her, then you'll be cutting her out of your life - and possibly him too.

clam · 05/05/2012 09:55

She's lonely, you say? How odd. Wink

thebody · 05/05/2012 10:41

Just why though, how can people be like this?? I am going to b the best
Mil ever .

ChronicToothAche · 05/05/2012 11:22

I agree with proudandscary, too.
I disengaged as much as I could from the ILs after years of quiet manipulation, neediness, stirring and unnecessary drama (which wasn't actually to do with me directly but definitely had a far reaching negative impact on our lives or many years) . Best thing I ever did. Shortly afterwards DH finally called them on their behaviour which was a big shock to them, and me. There was a period of sulking but things have definitely changed for the better - they know they can't do any of the above with us anymore and don't.
I just tried to completely emotionally disengage and tell DH any information as simple facts and then trust him to deal with it in the correct way in his own time.

ledkr · 05/05/2012 11:40

To be fair though,my pil are a pita rather than nasty iyswim,so it is easy for me to keep mildly sane.
They do things like gate crash our holidays or come to stay without contributing so much as a pint of milk and expecting a running buffet.
They invited themselves to stay 2 days post c section and asked about food so we stuck to our guns and they eventually left.
We have had to become sneaky and underhand eg all pile into the car to "go out" so they will leave after 5 days b and b then drive around the corner to return when they have gone Grin
If she called me a bitch id probably smack her in the gob tbh.
I just thought if someone was generally mentally ill they deserve some family support cos its not their fault.

fuzzpig · 05/05/2012 14:02

I was thinking mental ill health as well TBH, as well as narcissistic personality. But really if DH wants to stand up for her and use it as excuse then he needs to get her to the doctor. Alternatively she is just a manipulative, attention seeking drama queen.

I'm not sure I'd want her around the children at all while she was so toxic. Just imagine the things she will be saying about you to try and turn them against you (it won't work, but still, it is not nice for them or you) while your wimp of a husband just looks on, doing nothing...

Mia4 · 05/05/2012 16:57

yANBU. Your husband needs to be the one to take her to task for this and sort her out-not you. He should stand up for you over her behaviour. And quite honestly if she's going to be so rude and nasty to the mother of her grandkids, why should she see them? That behaviour will be obvious to your kids as they grow up and they shouldn't have to see it.

If your dh doesn't stand up for you now, he never will OP and tbh you either have to accept it and put up with it or make a furious stand and tell him he stands up or gets out. RELATE counselling might be good for you guys if he's willing to stand up but bad at doing sol

Hopandaskip · 05/05/2012 17:15

DH used to defend PILs until one memorable weekend FIL started shouting at me in the middle of a big hotel and calling me a bad mother in front of my kids and I had finally had it. I stormed out and said to dh "are you coming?" and he followed out fish mouthed. Once we got to the car I laid it out to him. If you say nothing to them now they will think you think their behaviour is acceptable. Make a choice you can't fence sit on this one. He said he would go talk to them. I replied that if he tried to reason it wouldn't work.

He left us in the car and went back and told them that they were wrong and out of order.... and came back to me shaky and upset. It is hard for DHs to stand up to parents. I told him that his willingness to do this meant a lot.

We had an estrangement for a year over it. DH and I wrote them a letter from him laying out our terms but also saying that he loved them very much and was saying it because he wanted us to all be able to enjoy time with them. He explained that he loved me very much also and that if they were able to respect that (and me) then on our next visit to the UK we would very much like to see them.

It worked! Things are so much better now!

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