to think Sun readers are as lowlife as the hackers

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That's it really. Anyone who is aware of the Sun's treatment of people such as Millie Dowler's parents, and of Ann Diamond is as complicit and scuzzy as the people at the Sun who condoned it.

All The Sun links do, unless the 3 people who sent them to you all decided to change what the link said?

But carry on, it's passing the time while I wait for a parcel to be delivered

So the hacking of her families phones to dig up her father's affair was fine?

Hacking the phones of the families of murder victims?

...no, i didn't say that - I simply pointed out that The Sun did not run a countdown clock to Charlotte Church's 16th birthday.

It feels like your putting sun readers on the stand calm down!

So 3 separate people sent you a link incognito?

My justification, as before, is that its got some entertaining stuff in it. I don't have anything more profound than that.

Phone hacking is illegal. It shouldn't have happened. It was an incredibly arrogant thing to do.

I still like reading The Sun sometimes though. Obviously I am a scumbag.

So for the few bits of entertaining stuff, you're happy that they hacked into the 'phones of many people so they could titilate the likes of you with private information from bereaved families etc.?

And The Mail does those awful ' look she's sixteen and obviously taking after her mother' stories far more than The Sun. .

I have no idea why the OP is getting such a hard time, particularly over the three clicks in 42 years thing .

OP YANBU. I cannot fathom why anyone would buy it.

No not happy about that, and fwiw those are the sort of 'stories' I don't care to read about. You probably do unimportant stuff i don't think is ethical aswell.

Links on MN are usually changed so they say something more punchy than the original full link.

What a silly argument.

But have you told the people who sent you them op? Or just one person you know who reads it. I get the impression that, to you reading it online is ok. All sun links start with 'the sun'. Why would people change if before sending it to you when your so vocals out disliking it?

@ defensiveness of Sun readers leading them to accuse Charlotte Church of being a liar.

Bloody hell.

And they did a countdown to a girls 16th
And they published sam fox at 16
And they published the pic of anne diamond and the funeral
And they have page 3
And there is miles more than that but that's what I know about, and it's good enough for me to label the paper SCUZZY and revolting.

People change links all the time

How pathetically defensive.

...so find this Charlotte Church countdown clock then. If it was on their website for a year it mut be out there somewhere.

Sardine the links were sent to the OP in an email

MN is the only place I've ever known people to regularly change links

Its pathetically defensive to call and entire group of people something then keep changing your story so you are not included in that group. Why i am not allowed to disagree with anyone having a blanket judgment?

I think it's quite obvious from the OP's second post on this thread that she's an online reader.

She just didn't realise that reading it online still means you're generating money for the Newspaper.

YABU. I hate the paper and wonder why anyone would read that crap. But wouldn't go on to condemn those that do read it, that is harsh and judgemental and the sun are certainly not alone in dodgy practices. Some people just like the tits. Do they still have tits in it?

That soldier-hero card is not justified imo. Anyone could innocently be paralysed crossing the road, driving their car, walking under a ladder. They are equally if not more deserving than any solider because they didn't actually sign up for the role as their job.

Any solider who is hurt in action a) is fighting someone else so quite willing to inflict injury on another person and b) is taking money for it.

I just feel so sad that I live in a society where people (women FGS) would fight so hard to defend a paper that has done the things the Sun has done.

People who see the list of what they have done to people, and shrug and go out and buy a copy. Scuzzy behaviour IMO. Putting your own fleeting enjoyment of reading some "gossip" above the real actual harm being done to the people in the stories.

what list Sardine....

Bloody hell nancy have you read the thread?

You don't give a fuck. I get it. Lots of people don't. I think they are BU and scuzzy and it makes me sad there are so many people who genuinely really don't give a fuck. There you go.

Worra, if I was a reader why would I be slagging it off? What a bizarre argument.