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to think Sun readers are as lowlife as the hackers

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moogster1a · 27/04/2012 09:27

That's it really. Anyone who is aware of the Sun's treatment of people such as Millie Dowler's parents, and of Ann Diamond is as complicit and scuzzy as the people at the Sun who condoned it.

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FreudianSlipper · 27/04/2012 11:18

if you want to take that stance you should at all of Murdochs News Cooperation as it is become clear that many were involved and knew about what was going on it is not just about a few who call themselves journalists exploiting the pain of others

but then it is easier to look down at sun readers

WorraLiberty · 27/04/2012 11:23

I never said I read it online. I said I've clicked on links to it maybe 3 times in my life when people have sent them to me. Certainly don't read it online

Why click links if you're not going to read them? Confused

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moogster1a · 27/04/2012 11:24

3 times is hardly making a habit of it. It was when people sent me messages saying read this, I've clicked without realising it was link to scuz paper.

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SeaHouses · 27/04/2012 11:25

I am sure that lots of newspapers do awful things and I can well believe it is often awful for staff. I'd certainly worry if one of my children went into journalism. It must be very hard to remain a decent human being in such an environment.

But I don't see how the fact that many other newspapers are far short of perfect makes it justifiable to read the Sun, which is by far the worst example of a newspaper in the UK.

With the hacking incidents, it is fair enough that the readership couldn't have known what was going on. But the readership do know the Sun sets out to bring people down, because that is what most of its content is about. That is why most of the readers buy it - to enjoy the misery of others.

To argue otherwise would be like me saying that I buy a crossword book every week but I don't get them for the crosswords. It is just nonsense.

Nancy66 · 27/04/2012 11:28

It's not hard to remain a decent human being in journalism at all - any more so than it is in any other profession.

Aboutlastnight · 27/04/2012 11:31

Most people buy The Sun for the sport. DP always reads it back to front, although he gets it online now.

HillyWallaby · 27/04/2012 11:31

Well if by 'good paper' you mean 'it does the job it is there to do' then I cannot disagree. It certainly understands its core readership and gives them what they want. From a business perspective I suppose that makes it a very successful, very 'good' product but I don't think that is the same thing AT ALL as saying it's a 'good' paper. It's appalling low-brow sensationalist tripe. But appalling low-brow sensationalist tripe is what turns the majority of people in Britain on, it seems.

greyhairsahead · 27/04/2012 11:38

I intensely dislike the Sun newspaper, along with most tabloids because they are the media at their worst. My DH buys the Sun when he needs to commute to work and I pull him up on it all the time. But, he likes the sports pages, the ridiculous headlines and the often general ridiculousess of the news stories. He certainly doesn't get any "proper" information from it, for that he watches the news, Newsnight and looks at different news sights on the internet.

Ufortunately there are may people who aren't like my DH who actually believe the crap that the Sun spurts, and that is what worries me.

But I hate the Daily Mail more. At least the Sun does't hide the fact that it's a shitty tabloid. The DM gives the impression of being a decent paper when in fact its horrendous right wing xenophobic bile spurting with the veneer of being a decent paper!

But then I'm very much a lefty liberal so I'm ever going to be the Sun's biggest fan, am I?

Aboutlastnight · 27/04/2012 11:41

Hilly

That is a fair assessment I think.

Birdsgottafly · 27/04/2012 11:48

If the media (especially papers like the Scum and DM) didn't vilify disabled people and got the public on side, there wouldn't be a need for specific charities, any phsyically disabled person would have a quality of life.

The Scum by reporting the way it does about poor Mental Health, negatively, it takes away what it gives. If you Joe Bloggs sees a person acting 'strangely' they won't know if they are an ex service person, suffering from PTSD, they will take the piss, regardless.

The same applies with people not getting behind the cutting of disabled benefits and services, if they were well funded the charity wouldn't be needed.

SardineQueen · 27/04/2012 11:55

Page 3
Countdown to Charlotte Church turning 16
Countdown to a girl turning 16 and she'd "get em out" on her 16th birthday
Sam Fox modelling for the regularly aged 16

It is a grim little rag, and was long before these stories came to the attention of Leveson.

I saw anne diamond on newsnight last night and they showed the cover that was so horribly intrusive.

How anyone can read this revolting publication is totally beyond me.

hairylemon · 27/04/2012 12:00

Op do you always happily click on links without knowing what they are?

DPrince · 27/04/2012 12:05

Op, worra is correct, it doesn't matter how you come by the links. You are adding to their revenue by clicking on it. So, going by your op, you're no better than those that occasionally buy it. Imo you can't lump all readers together as anything.

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moogster1a · 27/04/2012 12:16

FGS everyone. I'm 42 years old and have glanced at online links 3 times!!

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DPrince · 27/04/2012 12:20

Yes you have clicked 3 times. By your op it makes you Scuzzy. I don't, personally, think it does but maybe you should think more before labelling 'all readers' as anything.

limitedperiodonly · 27/04/2012 12:24

It's terrible behaviour OP.

Out of interest, did the crimes of NI bother you when they were hacking the phones of people such as Sienna Miller and Hugh Grant or did you get angry only when they were exposed for spying on 'worthy' people?

What do you think of all the papers who, until the news about Milly Dowler broke, agreed with NI that the campaign against phone hacking was just a money-grabbing exercise by publicity whores, because they were doing it too?

FreudianSlipper · 27/04/2012 12:32

are you sure you do not read the sun op

pointing your finger and calling a whole group of people scuzzy is very much what the sun does (and the dm which i beleive to be a far more damaging paper)

you have come across as a bit of a twit

Pinkshoes2 · 27/04/2012 12:40

I've read The Sun since i was 10, its my fav paper and i used to like The News Of The World too. And i even read The Mail for a laugh, and why the heck not.

hairylemon · 27/04/2012 12:43

at least you admit to being a hypocrite OP, there are worse things to be Smile

SardineQueen · 27/04/2012 12:55

Loads of people click links without looking at what they are
A lot of people don't even know how to see what a link is before they click on it
Don't understand why the op is getting attacked
I guess people are feeling defensive
The Sun is scuzzy though, no two ways about it Smile

SardineQueen · 27/04/2012 12:59

I just don't understand why anyone would want to read a paper that gets excited about the prospect of a 15yo baring her breasts in a few days, and publishes pap photos of a bereaved family at their child's funeral even though the mother has begged them not to.

It's disgusting and to see so many people on here saying what a great publication it is and there's nothing wrong with it is just really upsetting frankly. No empathy or compassion at all, just a hunger for exploitative, unethical journalism.

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moogster1a · 27/04/2012 13:00

Thank you Sardeine ( how do you check links without opening them?!)

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WorraLiberty · 27/04/2012 13:04

You read what the link says OP

WorraLiberty · 27/04/2012 13:05

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4282773/5million-compo-for-KFC-chicken-Twister-poisoning-of-wheelchair-bound-Monika-Samaan.html

You can clearly see the name of the newspaper before clicking it.

If you click random links without reading them, I'm surprised your computer isn't virused to the hilt.

SeaHouses · 27/04/2012 13:06

I also don't know how to know what site is being linked to. If somebody links on here and the link says 'story about frog populations' I don't know what site that is taking me to; I just know it is a story about frogs.