to be proud of being a white english muslim?

[MoveBiatchGetOutTheWay]

Yes it sounds weird. Point is, some people (muslim and non muslim) are of the opinion you cannot possibly identify as this, but I love our culture and Im enjoying passing it down to my ds (in the form of afternoon tea and gentlemanly manners ;) )

I love my religion, and boy do I love my culture :)

I don't really think anyone's going to tell you you're BU.

Good for you

afternoon tea isn't my culture and i'm white british.

I think you can certainly identify as this - why not?! I'm glad you are happy with that identity, and hope you can pass on that happiness to your DS.

But whether it is something to be proud of...I don't know. It isn't an achievement as such, just who you are. I am perfectly comfortable with my identity as a white British agnostic, but I am not proud of it.

MoveBiatch you'll give the EDL a heart attack with a statement like that. You won't fit their typical stereotype...they won't know what to do with themselves!

Good for you too!

Are you expecting someone on here to tell you not to be proud of your culture?

What ClassFree said.

Who on here is going to tell someone they're unreasonable for being proud their culture or religion?

I think I get why you are so proud Move. Sometimes it can be challenging to

Agree with ClassFree as well.

My husband is a white muslim.He likes country pursuits,barbours and his has gentlemanly manners!.I am on the other hand a mass of contradictions love indian food,dress in a very white middle class manner but very indian when out at asian events.I love theatre and Oscar Wilde but don't really go to pubs.I have always been a muslim and am glad you love your culture.

I think I get why you are so proud Move. Sometimes it can be challenging to integrate culture with a religion that has not evolved alongside it.

YANBU

I'm slightly confused now. Muslim = religion and Culture = British (as in afternoon tea)

So, I could basically say I'm Christian/Jewish/ Hindu etc and still love my culture because the culture of the UK doesn't really affect what religion you are does it ???? Regardless of religious beliefs we all love the theatre/afternoon tea/ cricket etc. and that's the 'culture' isn't it.

Someone clarify before I completely confuse myself

Ohhh its all very confusing, sorry to have made such a weird statement lol

what Im saying is, I have love for everyone and I wish integration was the standard thing in this country. That goes for everyone!

Afternoon tea, just for the record, is something I am very familiar with as a british person. It's always been about the scones and cucumber and salmon sandwiches for me ;) ds agrees readily

anyway, I want to say to people who think I shouldnt be proud to be english, that I am and that I dont have to suddenly adapt to asian/arab/somali culture just because I am muslim and those cultures are around me a lot in my area. Hard to explain but there you go :)

I'm confused too, really. Would the OP be any less proud of her culture if she was an Asian British Muslim? Or a White British Christian? A White French Muslim?

I get that it isn't the stereotypical combination, obviously, but surely not that unusual either. Is it that unusualness that the OP is proud of? Or is it her religion? Her English culture? Or the fact that she has White skin? (I am presuming not the latter )

Ah OP, x post. I get what you're saying now, and you're quite right - adopting a religion should not necessarily mean adopting a whole other culture. If a truth is universal, it should transcend such artificial boundaries.

what do you mean people tell you to adapt to somali/arab/asian culture? in what ways? dress? food? language? i am confused,

I'm 43 and I don't think I've ever had afternoon tea in my life

Come to think of it, apart from when my friend won a tea for two at the Dorchester hotel, I don't know of anyone who has scones and cucumber sandwiches etc.

I dont have to suddenly adapt to asian/arab/somali culture just because I am muslim and those cultures are around me a lot in my area

OP, it that because you were brought up with the British culture unlike many who have come to the country later in life who have their own country's culture instilled in them. In relation to activities, food etc? Not sure if I have expressed that correctly?

Move - possibly a silly question, but did you convert?

Most Asian people I know simply mix parts of our culture with parts of theirs.

It seems to work for them.

The tourists, worra. They eat all the cucumber sandwiches and cream teas. :)

I get what you're saying now, and you're quite right - adopting a religion should not necessarily mean adopting a whole other culture. If a truth is universal, it should transcend such artificial boundaries.

But a religion does put boudaries on some aspects of culture doesn't it. In particular dress, certain activities, food.

ok so...for example, SOME individuals from certain cultures expect you to conform to their customs and ways, even though you may not agree or be familiar with them. This goes for every culture under the sun, not just somali/arab/asian etc.

I have been in the midst of disputes regarding a situation where a family from one culture is pushing their ways on to the other, in terms of a wedding. This goes for dress and food.

To clarify, as this is not a rant or anything even close, I think its important to respect all customs, whether or not we agree with them, and know that we shouldnt pressure others into following our own or make them feel bad for being who they are. People sometimes forget I am english for some reason, and just because I am muslim, throw in some derogatory remark about english/british ways, or behaviours, as if I am not even there! Nobody tells me to adapt to anything specifically..as they know I would tell them where to shove it :)

am off to bed, nighteynite mnetters xxx

Some people think there could be conflict between a persons religion and the culture they live in, that a religion might (or should, depending on their opinion) overrule their 'loyalty' to the culture.

In the most extreme way that might apply to fanatics, which unfortunately people then associate with anyone from that religion.

What kind of things are you talking about OP when you say people don't think you should be proud to be English?

Who are these people? What situations are they saying it in?

I think that as Islam has not evolved alongside white European or British culture and is often seen as Arabic or African, whereas white European is often seen as Christian sometimes it can be difficult to fully accept and integrate both without compromising either.
(The above sentence is probably too long and convoluted)