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AIBU?

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To wish our au pair would 'understand' our toddler a little more

154 replies

deliakate · 19/03/2012 18:52

We have a new-ish ap, and whilst she is fabulous with our baby and helpful around the house, she is struggling a bit with our 2.7 yo son.

At first she spent her time making a huge fuss of the baby, and pretty much ignoring our son. He noticed this of course, so I spoke to her about it. She said she found it very hard as he often rejected her attempts to play with him. I did say that she just has to persevere and since then there have been some breakthroughs. But she still becomes quickly cross with him, and can be quite petty in response to his typical toddler power games.

Of course she is not trained in child development and doesn't really understand about their stages. But I think a lot could be helped if she were more animated and expressive, making silly faces or something so she got a laugh from him. I have tried to explain, but..... if I was being unkind, I would say that she really doesn't like children..... But I'm not. Its more that she doesn't know how to relate.

During her off duty time, its very noticeable. She never really goes out, but hangs around downstairs in the house - which is fine, of course. But during that time, she is pretty much expressionless and ignores me and the children. I would love her to have a big smile for my son when she sees him throughout the day, but it just doesn't happen.

AIBU to expect more? She doesn't have sole care of him or the baby. And he is not Damien, he's just a normal boy!! I think I could put up with it balanced against the home help she provides, were it not for the fact that he is clearly upset and affected by the change in circumstances - he's playing up a lot more, attention seeking, and feeling 'cross', as he puts it.

OP posts:
Saski · 20/03/2012 12:33

I'd fire her yesterday.

Proudnscary · 20/03/2012 12:37

We all appreciate how awkward these confrontations are - but iIf you just keep your dc and his well being in the forefront of your mind you will be fine.

Keep it simple and friendly: 'It's just not working out'.

Maybe wait til afterwards to have the gin and the valium or it might go horribly wrong Wink

valiumredhead · 20/03/2012 12:38

Talk to the agency first for some advice on the best way to let her go.

Fraktal · 20/03/2012 13:54

I would say that she doesn't seem happy, you don't want that (without going into the reasons why) and how can you best help her get home/move on.

ComposHat · 20/03/2012 13:56

From reading your other threads , your toddler seems bloody hard work and anyone would struggle initially. It may take time to build up a rapport.

I would give it some time.

Mumsyblouse · 20/03/2012 14:01

Delikate clearly it can't go on with your son feeling like the AP thinks he's a bad boy. You have to talk with the agency.

However, I also think you are in the wrong for not allowing them to bond or for her to find her own way of handling him. He sounds pretty tricky, my toddler was at this age, and the thought of someone watching me handle her tantrums and paddies, I would have felt very embarrassed and self-conscious and utterly clueless (all of which I felt by myself, but at least I was alone).

You need to find someone who can look after a toddler for half an hour on their own without supervision and you hovering, and you need to leave them to it if they are to stand any chance of bonding or enjoying time together.

Goawaybob · 20/03/2012 14:01

I wasn't muck raking delia Hmm I just noticed you had another thread running that suggested to me that having someone around like this wouldn't be good for you just now - just trying to be helpful.

valiumredhead · 20/03/2012 14:06

Also if she is better with the baby why don't you use the opportunity to have some one to one time with him yourself outside of the home. Might build up her confidence and yours in her as well.

GinPalace · 20/03/2012 14:06

Deliakate - anyone who did that to my son's self-perception would be out of the house faster than lightening, even if it was through no fault of their own. Get whatever it takes down your neck and have the conversation! At least you have recognised the problem and can do something about it now, so that is a good first step.

Sounds like you need a rent-a-gran! Someone to potter about being useful, cuddly and friendly but no when to keep distance and how to stay patient in the face of a lively toddler - a description not fitting many young first-time-away-from-home types.

Try putting an ad in The Lady (magazine) for someone with the qualities you need and see what happens. :)

GinPalace · 20/03/2012 14:07

no - know!

cazza40 · 20/03/2012 14:46

You have a nanny / housekeeper already in addition to au pair ? Why don't you just ask the au pair to leave ( from what you have said so far I feel sorry for her not you to be honest ) Then take your time to advertise and interview for a mothers help as I feel your expectations exceed the role of an au pair

medievalgirl · 20/03/2012 15:02

If you do decide to keep her on, I would ask her gently about how she's feeling in general. You mentioned - I think - that you'd told her about social activities in the area, but often when people are very unhappy or even depressed, the last thing they need is lots of suggestions: they need someone to listen and understand.

valiumredhead · 20/03/2012 15:04

I've just re read and realise you have a sole charge nanny and a cleaner as well - no wonder the au pair feels out of sorts! Just get rid of her and pay a baby sitter for the evenings - this isn't fair on her or the children. What do you actually want the au pair for? Bath times and meal times aren't that hard really especially as you have help in the house already and I definitely didn't find motherhood easy and my dh was out of the house more than he was in plus a 4 hr commute each day. I'm all for getting in help if you can afford it but this set up sounds bonkers.

MarthasHarbour · 20/03/2012 15:07

Gosh, a nanny/housekeeper, cleaner and au pair, and you around all day too Shock

lesley33 · 20/03/2012 15:10

Martha - I don't think the nanny works when the Au Pair works.

cazza40 · 20/03/2012 15:12

Sounds like a crazy set up are you not working either - do you honestly need this much childcare ?

MarthasHarbour · 20/03/2012 15:19

yeah but ... still

look i do think the OP is NBU as i wouldnt like someone not interacting with my child in that way. i do think she needs to look elsewhere.

i am just all astonishment that she needs this much help.

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 20/03/2012 15:26

you don't suit each other, get rid.

annh · 20/03/2012 16:09

Where does the OP say she has a nanny? I thought she said a nanny would be a ridiculous expense?

valiumredhead · 20/03/2012 16:22

She has a nanny sole charge for 8 hours a week, and an au pair who is there all day and babysits 3 x a week, plus a cleaner.

valiumredhead · 20/03/2012 16:26

Sorry, 'she' sounds rude - the OP.

WipsGlitter · 20/03/2012 16:28

She says she has a nanny for a few hours a week to do some charge. Sole charge. It does all sound a bit mad and slight overkill on the help.

GinPalace · 20/03/2012 16:32

True - but we all have different coping levels.
OP says she'd need to stiff drink or valium to talk things through with the 26 yr old au pair.
Maybe she just isn't a very strong person - we can't all be.
Lucky she is in position to get help if that is the case and good for her if she needs it and can afford it - would that all struggling mums had access to that - if she was less well-off she may be having a mental health crisis instead.

MarthasHarbour · 20/03/2012 16:36

i hardly think her situation with or without help constitutes 'struggling' Hmm

Bonsoir · 20/03/2012 16:43

Why don't you ditch your cleaner and your au pair and get a mother's help (live out) who likes children and is prepared to clean and cook? Probably an older lady.

Your French au pair in her mid-20s must be bored out of her brains.