to wonder how people can justify smoking during pregnancy?

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I know this is an emotive thread, and I'm not talking about people who try and cut down slowly I'm talking about people who make no effort to stop.

How do people justify that?

Where I live I see alot of it and suprisingly its not mainly 'chavyy women' as people would think.

AIBU to wonder why someone wouldnt even try to stop?

Posie, that is awful, what a crap thing to do to her unborn child - how utterly selfish

Totally, inexcusably SELFISH!

And vile, and disgusting. Those poor poor babies of women who smoke. It's hideous.

I have just read the whole of this thread and found it very entertaining.
Flange I think I might be a little bit in love with you. Your grace and eloquence in the face of people screaming The Sun headlines at you was sublime. (although I have to say the MN argument point did border on the tenuous )

I think my exposure to repeated LOLs and end ofs have brought on some stress so I'm off to sit quietly in a dark room and listen to my hypnobirthing CDs to protect my foetus.

Everlong - I really couldn't care less about what people who smoke when preg - or the frothers and their sock puppets - think of my view. Indeed, the more they froth or try to rile me (which of course, they cannot do as they are insignficant to me) the funnier it is! Let them froth away!

I don't understand why you wouldn't try your best to quit.

I understand it isn't easy and can take a while.

The word 'froth' obviously gets a reaction from Ilikecandy so I'm going to find a way to use it in every post from now on. A biscuit for whoever is the first to spot it. ready, MNers?

Since you ignored my kind suggestion about smoke blowing, I suppose even you might have noticed the obvious flaw, which is that people would piss all over your head. So another option to fuck over pregnant non-smokers would be to get a cappucino, grind cigarette butts into the froth and trick them into drinking it.

What struck me is that she had no shame! I mean I know it's hard to quit, loads of people who really want to do it though, but to do it in public when so massively pregnant was pretty hideous.

^^ this is what this threads about.

O.T I saw a great skank toddling out of the local Dealers flat the other day heavily pg, can in one hand fag in the other.

I'm not angry, I'm just wondering what you suffer from or what's so wrong with your life that you get so much pleasure from thinking you are winding up total strangers on the Internet.

Seems a little odd but everyone's different.

I find it funny that you think your making me angry when actually I've been laughing at you for days.

Haven't got to the end of this thread as I feel like my head may explode but just a couple of points: I have been categorically told by both midwives and a doctor that the damage to an unborn baby is immeasurably higher from smoking than any amount of stress caused by the mother's attempt to stop smoking will be. Two doctors also stood up in a court of law and argued that there is no direct correlation between maternal stress and risk to foetus/miscarriage of the pregnancy, and the court found in their favour. I would argue therefore that regardless of how much stress 'poor little me' smoking mothers feel they are under by stopping smoking when they are pregnant, or how much 'stress' they feel they are being put under by persons telling them to stop, that to do anything other than try to stop for the sake of their unborn baby is nothing other than selfish, arrogant, disgusting behavior. I realize however that the latter part of my post is only my opinion.

This thread is awful.

As I haven't commented on a pregnancy smoking topic before I feel like I should. I agree with everlong but the AIBU is whether op is unreasonable to wonder why a pregnant person wouldn't try to stop. It is about trying to stop smoking, not food related, stress related, erm...posting on mn related!?!?

Surely YANBU to wonder why a person wouldn't try to stop, any mother to be would surely want to have the best chance at having a healthy baby as possible. If they were a smoker before finding out then trying to give up is the least they can do for their baby.

I would be interested to hear why the doctors were in court also, do you have a link blonde?

As someone who was hospitalised at 5 months, nearly died twice and nearly lost my DD, before being induced at 35 weeks to save both our lives as a direct result of stress and the resulting high BP, all of which is documented, I would be genuinely interested.

Stress can't be measured, doctors don't tend to argue about it as it affects individuals differently.

For some people stress may not have any physical effect at all, for others it can cause high blood pressure. As high blood pressure can be dangerous regardless of being pregnant or not, you would have to look at the individual when deciding if it's dangerous or not.

The only time my blood pressure has ever been high in pregnancy was when I developed incompetant cervix at 20 weeks and was told I would loose my baby.

Even the consultant said the high blood pressure was due to the stress. When they decided to move me from the labour ward to a maternity ward while we waited it got even higher as the thought of being moved up there stressed me out even more. In the end they left me where I was rather than cause me more stress and anxiety.

Exactly everlong, if you make the choice to have a baby, the baby should come first. I would be interested in a link too.