to wonder how people can justify smoking during pregnancy?

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I know this is an emotive thread, and I'm not talking about people who try and cut down slowly I'm talking about people who make no effort to stop.

How do people justify that?

Where I live I see alot of it and suprisingly its not mainly 'chavyy women' as people would think.

AIBU to wonder why someone wouldnt even try to stop?

Oh ffs, yabu, plenty of people have disorganised lives & that includes how their babies get made & grown. It's a bit pants to not even try to quit, but there are tonnes of worse things new parents can do.

Oh dear god no I'm not justifying smoking in pregnancy at all everlong

I'm pointing out the double standards that pregnant smokers seem to be routinely bashed on here and yet overweight pregnant women are not....when both are putting their babies at risk.

Look, pretty much every woman who continues to smoke when pregnant feels hideously guilt-ridden about it, whether they show it or not.

I say this as someone who did quit, but knows what it is to be addicted.

YABU to judge someone without having a clue how difficult it is for them and how awful they feel about their situation. They are probably judging themselves enough for the both of you anyway.

Everlong, in the most recent confidential enquiry into maternal deaths obesity was named as the most common indirect cause of maternal death. Not only that obesity carries an increased risk of miscarriage, neural tube defects, pre-eclampsia, gestational diabetes, macrosomia of the fetus, shoulder dystocia and other complications.

Both groups should be treated in the same way, with dignity, respect and care. They should be supported in their efforts to improve their lifestyle. They should also be actively targeted with health advice and their babies monitored.

Oops Sorry Worra, in my skimming I missed your posts

Rubbish Worra... Certain posters bash fat people more than any other group on earth in fact you seem to be one who does it more than most!!

I know it is everlong but it doesn't hurt to point out that smuggery isn't just as good thing if the smug people are just as bad but in a different way.

Here we go again

and have my very first

Worra I suggest you seek help for your hatred of fat people...I've lost count of the amount of threads I've seen you on bashing the overweight

Whale...again I do not 'bash fat people' as you put it.

I couldn't give a shiney shite if people are fat/thin/or anything else.

However, that doesn't stop me from posting my opinions on things when I think someone is misguided or showing double standards.

This is a discussion forum after all.

There was a very, vert, very long thread on this only the other day. Try a search.

And obviously the fourth word in that post was supposed to be "very" as well.

And Whale I suggest you ask someone else to read my posts to you and explain them properly since you clearly haven't understood them.

Unless you think that anything other than saying "Oh you're not fat don't be silly" despite not knowing one way or another, is hating fat people?

With what we know now, I don't know how educated women (and we are educated in this country) can do it to themselves. Forget about baby's health for a sec; at the very least surely they want to be fit and healthy and around for their dgc? And the money they'd save would go a way towards nappies

But there again, they are adult women who can make their own choices. As long as they are totally happy with their life choice, then I guess that's fine.

I was a bit fat, rhesus neg, still smoked occasionallly, and drank wine all through my pregnancy. You can flame me all you want, but I had a healthy 8lb baby who is top of the class. The risks and dangers change all the time, much like the baby advice. I discussed everything with my midwife as opposed to strangers on the internet.

Well yes, everlong me too, but I have friends and relatives who didn't, although I think without exception they cut down substantially. I know they felt terrible about it and really wanted to, but felt powerless, and I can sort of see where they were coming from. I didn't find it easy and I can imagine it is even harder for others depending on their situations. (Plus I'm a stubborn cow :o ) I just think there but for the grace of God and all that...

I don't know. I could probably judge too, being in the same situation as you, but I prefer to try and understand is all...

What are the risks to the baby of being a overweight pregnant lady? I ask because when I had investigations for possible infertility I was told that it would be better if I carried a few more pounds (carry much more now I am a mum - believe me) - at the time I thought I was in my normal range for height and weight (possibly on the low side but nowhere near underweight) but they found nothing wrong with me but suggested that a few more pounds to be plumper would be good. That's why I really don't understand the issue with being overweight and pregnant. Is there an ideal weight to be for the health of an unborn child?

There's evidence that it's more difficult to give up smoking when you're pregnant because changes in your metabolism mean that nicotine leaves your system more quickly - which makes you want to smoke more. Your sense of taste and smell change, too - which makes it possible for some pregnant women to quit overnight - but not others - and it can make you more likely to start again when the baby is born and your sense of taste and smell go back to "normal". I'm sure that will sound familiar to a lot of people.

Basically, by all means encourage a pregnant woman to quit (with respect and support) but judging helps no-one.

im going to jump right in

i gave up with my twins,well the constant 24hr throwing up made me give up really, started up about 2mths after id given birth

2nd pregnancy stopped drinking the day i found out (only a social drinker anyway) but could not give up,i cut down to approx 7-8 a day and NEVER smoked in public as i was to afraid someone would comment and i felt could not justify it

but i never breast feed the twins didnt smoke,but breast feed the other for months did smoke

i would never recommend smoking in pregnancy as most know its a no no,but things do happen and im sure every mother will feel a sense of guilt

do we go on about women that drink far to much in pregnancy,neverseems like it