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to think the tax credits system is not designed to support people that have as many children as they fancy and expect the state to pick up the tab?

350 replies

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 21:24

An acquaintance has just announced she is pregnant with her fifth child. Her 4 children are by 2 separate fathers, and #5 is by a different father again. Her partner has a job in which he is unlikely to earn much more than the minimum wage. She doesn't work, and says they are heavily reliant on tax credits and housing benefit. Yet they are having baby #5, so effectively expecting that the tax credits system will just pick up the tab, as she has made several comments about how the tax credits will go up when #5 arrives.

Someone else I know who also says they are heavily reliant on TCs has recently had baby#3 and would like baby#4 in the near future. Again she says they can afford it as their tax credits will go up. The only working income coming into their home is that from her husband's 16 hours a week job in a shop, everything else is benefits.

What I'm trying to say is, those of us that support ourselves with no reliance on benefits have a cut off point of children that we can afford and we stop at that point. We stuck at 3 as that's all we can afford even though I would have liked one more. I feel that those that keep having child after child, totally reliant on tax credits, are abusing the system.

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FlossieTeacakeShouldFakeIt · 05/03/2012 22:28

YANBU. People shouldn't have children they cannot afford to support. Benefits are meant to be there for people who have children and then fall on hard times, benefits are not there to enable people to have children in the first place.

It's all twisted.

petitema · 05/03/2012 22:28

liams agree with the you being dim bit.

MissVerinder · 05/03/2012 22:28

"This comes from a EU ruling, to remove child poverty, btw."

I didn't know that.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:29

Pha! Ok then. Takes one to know one Wink

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 22:29

How is having 5 or 6, or more children getting by, DamnBamboo?

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petitema · 05/03/2012 22:30

Do they have goat benefit on netmums yum great for curry

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:30

petitma Biscuit

petitema · 05/03/2012 22:31

Is it half term again? Hmm The goats a trip trapping

petitema · 05/03/2012 22:32

Quite a netmummy name too.

Birdsgottafly · 05/03/2012 22:32

If you want really educating OP and Liams, go and read a social policy book, from the 19th century, it really will be an eye opener for you.

It isn't a lifestyle choice, there isn't any other choice, for many. People have the right to have children, even poor people.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:32

I actually have no idea what your talking about. You spend way to much time on here if you think your offending meConfused

petitema · 05/03/2012 22:33

Sorry I digress. Wink

woollyideas · 05/03/2012 22:33

Well there were no tax credits until about 12 or 13 years ago MissVerinder and people managed. Perhaps people only had a number of children that corresponded with what they could afford?

Once upon a time before tax credits were invented there was something called 'married man's tax allowance' which gave people with dependents a more favourable tax rate, so that two people earning the same gross pay would have completely different take-home salaries. Some people considered that this unfairly rewarded people for being married/having children.

HTH.

petitema · 05/03/2012 22:33

Quite.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:34

birds I am poor! But I work!! And I work hard! It is a lifestyle choice for some. Trust me. People I know get pregnant for a house and get it! I live in the fucking thick of it do don't you dare patronise me!

GrahamTribe · 05/03/2012 22:34

Have we got to the bit where someone posts a Goat Application Form yet?

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 22:34

What, 4 or 5 children, Birdsgottafly? 10 children? 15 children? Everyone might have a right to have children but the system wasn't designed to support people that just fancy having lots of children and can't support them.

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MissVerinder · 05/03/2012 22:34

I'm sure there was something else, wooly.

I'd ring my mum and ask her but it's a bit late.

CreepyWeeBrackets · 05/03/2012 22:34

Before he got seconded my goat got free NHS cosmetic dental treatment

DamnBamboo · 05/03/2012 22:34

It's not! LLLLLLLLLLL
That's not what I meant.

But I don't think the general rule should be it's ok to claim for one but not for six.

Depending on where you live, you still won't have a great quality of life if you rely on benefits. I just don't have it in me to get worked up about it.

How much tax does your household pay OP?

DamnBamboo · 05/03/2012 22:35

But very very few people have that many children OP.

There really are bigger fish to fry.

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 22:35

woollyideas, the married person's tax allowance was scrapped a couple of years before the original working families tax credits came into fruition. HTH

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LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:35

Oh I'm sorry about my name. I'm a proud new mum. Who came on here to talk to other young new mums.

petitema · 05/03/2012 22:36

Can someone link the goat app form, the on with free dental treatment, does my goat get a free school dinner?

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 22:36

How is our tax relevant, DamnBamboo?

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