to think council shouldn't pay for lollypop lady outside private school?

[nestynest]

is this not the council subsidising private education? Just annoys me to see all the massive 4 x 4s dropping pfbs and then there's a lollypop lady there laid on by the council? Shouldn't the school organise one themselves?

Refuse collection and ensuring that kids can cross the road without being run over don't compare very well Secret. (My, it seems like I'm picking on you, that's not my intention, honestly).

Yes spiderslegs because if you think private schools should pay for their own environmental impact it means you think kids should be left without a crossing patrol and maimed - nice argument you're having with yourself there

Secret do you think that anyone who opts out of state education should pay privately for everything else as well???? by your post above.

If you do, excellent. Give me my £5,000 back (cost of educating one child at state school) and I will gladly do so.

Nice try Graham but I didn't compare the 2 I was responding to a question.

You are making money for yourself though. You could just go and live in a council owned house and not profit from increasing house prices over time.

Yes, the above is daft. But so is the whole thing imo!

BTW SecretMinceRinser - you know that private schools probably get their rubbish collected without paying too, plus other things council taxes go towards.

I don't know if they do or not - they quite possibly do. I don't think they should though.

Mmm Secretmincerinser I believe that nothing I said would cause you to arrive at that illogical conclusion..

I thought rich kids could cross the road better than poor kids anyway.

What did you mean by "& Secretmincerinser you would also have no choice if your taxes were used to fund the NHS care of a child horribly maimed outside said school & the years of associated care." then?

Is this a private v state thread now then?

IMO you are wrong. But I can't be bothered to keep going round in circles.

I'd rather EVERY school had some form of crossing support over busy roads. If they can help save lives and prevent injury to children and adults alike - be them drivers or pedestrians - I can see no problem whatsoever. Couldn't care less what type of school. If it is a busy road with a lot of children crossing it at key points of the day, thus causing more chance of accidents at school run times then let their be some form of safety device in place.

Surely preventing a life is better than not doing so, if we can help it.

Let's be honest, it always has been

YABU. A child is a child, privately/state educated. They all need protection from drivers on a busy road.

I think you are confusing the need for a crossing patrol with the issue of who pays for it. Are you suggesting schools would just say 'nah we won't bother' if the state didn't pay?

"Is this a private v state thread now then?"

No, it's a thread started by a one-time-post troublemaker.

Secret - because you said 'People aren't given the choice as to whether or not they want to contribute to crossing patrols for private schools!'

I was merely pointing out that they may not be given the choice & this may be an idiotic argument because the alternative could be worse for them tax-wise, if that is their only concern.

Pointless aside here - I live in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere in a detached house, (so paying an arm and a leg in Council Tax).

I have to pay an extra £40 per year for my black bin, and an extra £40 per year for my blue (recycling) bin. Bin collections are every 2 weeks. I don't get a brown bin, and have to take all my garden waste to a recycling centre 8 miles away) every week. There is no police station, or fire station. The nearest hospital is 8 miles away. There is no school in the village, the roads are disintegrating. There are no community services in the village (library, public parks, anything). The only public green space is run by a private eco-charity.

I don't use state education for DS. What is my £2000 p.a. Council Tax being spent on? Seriously? What? I haven't got a clue. It is not being spent on anything I use, but I pay it anyway. And anyone who says that they have a problem with a Council providing a Lollipop person outside a private school can go and stuff themselves.

Thanks for listening.

Ah, it turned into a private v state though ,as intended no doubt

5 pages of responses, and nestynest has still not come back to join in their own debate. Nor have they ever posted anything else on MN.

It's a great big argument-inducing bomb of an OP. Designed to get anyone with a 4x4, PFB, public school account or even a working-class child at a school without a lollipop lady fuming and ranting!

But why would the alternative be no crossing patrol? Why is it unthinkable that the school pay?

Anyway - what Hulababy said - any other argument is specious & not worth the pixels.

Anyway, do private schools not pay some kind of "business rates" in respect of the premises?

YABU and a twat.

How do we know the school does not pay?

How do we know the OP has not just made this up?

So long as children are being protected, who cares who pays?

What are you paying your taxes for? Erm let me see - whether there is a fire station in your village or not if your house catches fire the state will pay for someone to put it out. Ditto if you need an ambulance. Living in the arse end of nowhere doesn't mean you don't use the emergency services - just that they may take longer to get to you.
And yes there are more amenities where there are more people around to use them - that makes sense - as nice as it would be for every tiny village to have it's own hospital. I don't really see what your point is?