to think council shouldn't pay for lollypop lady outside private school?

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is this not the council subsidising private education? Just annoys me to see all the massive 4 x 4s dropping pfbs and then there's a lollypop lady there laid on by the council? Shouldn't the school organise one themselves?

Secret - How do you know this service isn't being paid for by the school? How?

And bloody well how dare we dip into the "communal pot"????? (THAT WE PAY FOR TWICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!) How dare we???

People who choose Private Education pay Council Tax (just like everybody else). It provides services (allegedly), from the Council. Like Lollipop people. And police, and the fire service, and refuse collection and libraries, and the NHS, and local parks and facilities. If you would like to campaign for a refund on behalf of people who choose not to use these services, please feel free to do so.

The people who use the school are more than likely paying taxes too you know!

And fwiw there are as many 4x4s at our local state schools as there are at the local independent ones.

We have lollipop men/women on roads not right next to schools too - just on key routes used by children and parents a lot at school start/end times. Can be two or three streets away or more in some cases round here.

I would happily pay for the council employed lollipop man outside the private school my children attend (I may already do so - I know he is employed by the Council, but have no idea if the school have to pay for it).

However in return I would like any tax payed by me or my DH that would normally be spent on the education of other children to be refunded - sounds fair to me!

Obviously tongue in cheek there - OP YABU.

I don't know diablo - I am taking what the op has said at face value.
If any of the services you list are in place entirely due to the school - ie police security for a school event then yes I think the school should pay.

And Graham I would imagine the percentage of kids who have no choice but to go to private school due to bullying is pretty low.

Does it really matter who funds the lollipop person? Surely the key thing is that there IS a lollipop person and if it is generally the council's responsibility to fund lollipop people, then they should do that for ALL schools.

There's so much division on Mumsnet re the private schools v state schools debate. If you can't afford to send your kids to private school, don't deride those who can and do.

No ThatsEnough it wouldn't be fair. You have chosen not to utilise the free schooling your kids are entitled to. People aren't given the choice as to whether or not they want to contribute to crossing patrols for private schools!

The council where my school was (too many years ago to count) thought the same thing - private school therefore not even allowed a zebra crossing, let alone a lollipop person.......they changed their minds after 2 girls were seriously injured, one with life-long injuries, and none of us will forget my classmate who was killed by an idiot driver driving too fast - his excuse was that he didn't know that there was a school there because there were no markings!! So you're right OP, how dare private schools want their pupils to be safe. Have a big fat

So should they also pay for their refuse to be collected to?
Should they pay to have the community police in to do assemblies?
What about if they need to use the emergency services if something goes wrong on site?

Independent schools obviously use a whole range of council services, I doubt they pay for them all.

SecretMinceRinser - the parents are also paying their taxes, just as much as you are.

Gawd, you really can post the most preposterous op and get people battering each other about private vs state.

Op, don't be dim.

Maybe public transport should only go to council managed housing estates too? If people chose to live in privately rented or privately bought houses, why should they get council subsidised transport services?

Police security for a school event??? I wish Most private schools are not Eton you know?

I don't mean to have a go at you "secret*, but you seem to want to stick up for the OP even though...... (it is possibly a troll).

The council provides lollipop people, not individual schools budgets (in my area anyway - I work in a state school). Therefore, in my opinion, the council has a duty of care to provide safe crossing on dangerous roads at peak times. All people have to pay council tax, so all people should benefit. It seems very straightforward to me.

As someone else has said it is actually really quite difficult to get a lollipop person allocated to a street. The school must have gone through all these systems and the council found them in need, for the general public safety. This takes time and a lot of effort. You may find that in the past a child has been seriously hurt or even killed on this road.

Or they may have paid for their own.

OP - unless DCs from private schools are less likely to step into the path of my moving vehicle, I think YABVVU to consider my road safety less of a priority when I drive past private schools than state funded ones

LOL
i BLOODY LOVE THIS
"let the posh kids die"
its almost Malthusian

The number of independent school children there as an alternative to the bullying they received at state schools (and likewise the number of children HE'd for that reason) might, I believe, surprise you more than it would me, Secret, IMHO. Plus, the average cost of a crossing patrol woman/man's salary is, I've seen after a quick Google, between about 6.50 and 7.50 per hour. So what's that (my maths are dire), 12 or 13K p.a.? Compared to a saving to the state of 500,000 thousand pounds per year for just one independent school holding just 100 pupils?

Pharo - just had to google him.

I am afraid SMR that we will have to disagree - there are many things I don't agree with my tax being spent on, fortunately we do not get to pick and choose.

I did say that it was a Tongue in Cheek comment and I obviously have no objection to paying my share to the education budget (as a disclaimer we are by no means rich, do not live in a mansion and I do not have a 4x4 - DH does though).

YANBU, I applaud anything that increases the chances of my state educated pfb getting a place at Oxbridge.

Posh kids, can't cross the road, can't wipe their own arse.

The business I used to work for used to have to pay to have their refuse collected so yes I do.
Emergency services are different - there are no private police/fire brigade and obviously anyone is entitled to free emergency treatment in this country whether they are even a British citizen or not.
I do think though that wherever possible private companies should pay for things that need to be in place for them to run themselves.

You must be desperate Illusive Shadow

YABMU.

What everyone else has said really - you have a massively nonsensical brain if this is really your opinion & you're not just jockeying for a fight.

& Secretmincerinser you would also have no choice if your taxes were used to fund the NHS care of a child horribly maimed outside said school & the years of associated care.

Just because people have opted out of one area of publicly funded provision does not bar them from any other services.

You do know that Independent schools are registered charities though - should all charities therefore pay for all state-run services?

Hulababy - since when does owning your own home make you a money-making business?

aims car at boaters

Surely this is not for real?