to think Tesco should fucking well PAY THEIR STAFF?

[QueenOfFlippingEverything]

I know, I know, there have been threads about it already.

But this is so rage-inducing, I want THE WHOLE OF EVERYONE to know about it.

Jobcentre advert placed by Tesco for night shift staff. Who will be paid [drumroll] JSA (£67 a week) plus travel expenses.

Why the fucking fuck should Tesco get their staff for free? Why? Their profits last year were something like £3.5 billion last year!

I know who I think is taking the piss here, and its not the unemployed people who will be forced to work night shifts at Tesco for their £67 a week

IIUC, Kate, people wanting to stay on JSA and avoid jobs are already dealt with by existing regulations.

Anyone on JSA refusing a real job that's offered to them is sanctioned - unless they can come up with a jolly good reason why.

So paid jobs at Tesco are just as "mandatory" if handled correctly.

Thankyou, Nilgiri - for HoL info especially.

"Mishymashy: Tescos have had to shut one store due to protesters"

Further report - with pictures
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-break-up-protest-at-tesco-690377

If they want to encourage long term unemployed to work then let them earn at least minimum wage, let them see how it feels to earn your own money. Otherwise it is just slave labour.

This is bringing back so many bad memories of YTS and how that made me feel. Twenty three years gone & it still hurts.

If they want to encourage long term unemployed to work then let them earn at least minimum wage, let them see how it feels to earn your own money. Otherwise it is just slave labour.

This is bringing back so many bad memories of YTS and how that made me feel. Twenty three years gone & it still hurts.

Nun, that article is Priceless.

I don't know too much about ESA or Carers, I'm disabled myself, some of my family members are disabled. I've not been ignorant towards it, i just i find it very complicated and for me personally getting caught up in the fact I'm disabled makes me angry and upset.
So, of course its not reasonable to expect people who can't work to work, especially night shifts,

But my point was what molepom said the majority of pisstakers ruin it for the Majority of genuine cases.
Of course its not fair, its not fair for anyone.
I've experienced people on JSA use all sorts of get-out-free clauses so to speak to avoid getting job's, what i'd like to see are stricter JSA regulations, however its hard to see the genuine cases from the non-genuine.
This Anti-workfare is something i support, and i hate the coalition, they are upperclass snob's who in my opinion have no experience/knowledge about the real world. The Majority of Britain aren't bankrolled by Mummy and Daddy through ETON and Oxbridge, have 100's of thousands in trust funds and get fancy job positions without any work or experience because his uncle knows someone who knows someone who he bribed.
The Majority of Britian are Hard working people, who are now a days just working to pay the bills and mortgage. Did you hear the Radio Interview with Edwina Curry the other day? It was a prime example of what is wrong with this country.
Bring back TB thats all i say!

I will allow myself a big fat

Great article Nun

Be interesting to see if the BBC run a story

I said

"Again a small minority of pisstakers are making it worse for genuine claiments."

In my post above.

If you are going to quote me, do it properly and dont twist it into your thinking.

This is getting big...

from Tesco's Facebook wall posted by someone else:

Chris Grayling, employment minister, said in a statement: "Our work experience scheme is voluntary and thanks to companies like Tesco and many others it has provided a route for literally thousands of young people to find their first job." He added: "The idea that providing work experience for unemployed young people is some kind of forced labour is utterly and completely absurd."

Lawyers who are bringing a legal claim against the department under the Human Rights Act legislation on forced labour, welcomed Tesco's move. Solicitor Jim Duffy from Public Interest Lawyers said: "Tesco, one of the main beneficiaries of the schemes, has now recognised that coercing people into unpaid labour will not solve Britain's unemployment crisis or empower Britain's 2.6 million unemployed. The government must now scrap these schemes and come up with individualised tailored approaches that will not only get people into work but will keep them there."

My thinking?

I'm Hardly Hitler? ....

"Mimi - for those fit and able to work, those that can and the ones how avoid working, everyone will agree with you, "

I won't.

Nobody should be forced to provide labour for free.

If there is work to be done, it should be paid at the going rate.

Otherwise you are undercutting people who want to do the job for a fair wage.

I normally lurk, but I feel so strongly about this, I have to comment. My son has already done a work experience placement at Asda.( He is reasonably qualified and is doing a part-time degree, but work is hard to find, so he will probably be 'invited' to do another one soon.)

He is perfectly willing to work for his JSA, but would have preferred to work for a local charity and benefit his community, rather than work for a huge multinational. There was not always enough work for everyone, so paid staff were sent home early on occasion, presumably losing pay. He did not get a permanent job and everyone came out with the same generic reference.

And just in case we think Tesco are new at this game, here's a thread from Money Saving Expert in 2008 about another version of workfare.

This one was described as a 3 week "work trial" as a pre-requisite to an actual job interview - again JSA+ supposedly expenses. But the "work trial" could only be done over the Christmas period, and friends already working at Tesco told OP the store wasn't hiring real staff - oh and the JobCentre refused to pay expenses (see posts #28, #55).

Lot more interesting stuff on that thread.

I got blocked last night for repeatedly asking them why they were participating in this horrible scheme and also for posting this: [email protected]

However, I have been back on many times since using my alter ego and continued to post willy-nilly! They also claim that they are happy to engage even with negative posts but are just keeping the FB page tidy for the benefit of all - lol.

I think they are also trying a bit of their own posting -there are one or two posts which sound like they might be fake ones praising Tesco.

Glad to see this thread alive and kicking, we can get tesco to pull out if we keep up the pressure! Love that it has gone offline and people are having demos in the shops, brilliant

Can i just point out the safety aspect of this exploitation.
When the Job Centre does pay expenses for travel (sometimes they dont) they will only pay expenses for the cheapest possible transport (buses NOT taxis so if you are doing night shifts for your JSA and there are no buses at unsocial times like there isnt round here, you will be walking home in the dark ALONE. Coupled with the fact that a lot of these placements are over Christmas periods (cunning Tesco,Argos et al) thats an awful lot of people risking being raped or mugged all to keep their JSA or Carers Allowance etc.i Mentioned the Christmas period and WINTER because of the longer darker nights!

For Kate and others: For every job, there are 8 people wanting a job.

The country is not full of skivers refusing to take jobs. If every one of the 239,372 vacancies was taken tomorrow THERE WOULD STILL BE 1,647,128 JOBSEEKERS OUT OF WORK.

(Office of National Statistics, December 2011)

Yes, the country might not be FULL of dole dossers, but their still are QUITE A FEW.

I'm not for the scheme in any way shape or form, i just meant that people who haven't worked for years and year not due to illness/disability might need a slight kick up the backside, thats all.

gosh, I hope nobody tells my boss about this scheme, I would be jobless before the end of the month.
Seriously though, I just DON'T GET IT. please somebody enlighten me, what is this supposed to achieve? Do the government know that major chains will exploit this? Or are they oblivious?

Sigh, how long until the next election?

katespade - I should imagine the lazy dole dossers out there will not get a job anyway, while costing the government more in 'allowances', while multi billion pound companies hire less 'proper' staff. thus less money in the economy. thus less money to spend/jobs.
The lazy certainly need a kick up the arse, but i'm sure there are other, more sensible ways?

Yeah, but that's academic when there are 8 people actually wanting every job, isn't it? Can't see the sense in forcing someone unwillingly into a job, if they're content to doss on £67 a week, when a more enthusiastic worker could have it.

The workfare schemes must be replacing real jobs. That's just shocking when there's such a shortage of paid employment.

(that was to Kate at 15:55, btw)

Kate how do you know it's QUITE A FEW or is that an assumption?

'Yes, the country might not be FULL of dole dossers, but their still are QUITE A FEW. '

How many? How many have actually chosen £67 a week as an active lifestyle choice that are prefectly helthy and able? Figures from somewhere not the Daily Hate please.