to think Tesco should fucking well PAY THEIR STAFF?

[QueenOfFlippingEverything]

I know, I know, there have been threads about it already.

But this is so rage-inducing, I want THE WHOLE OF EVERYONE to know about it.

Jobcentre advert placed by Tesco for night shift staff. Who will be paid [drumroll] JSA (£67 a week) plus travel expenses.

Why the fucking fuck should Tesco get their staff for free? Why? Their profits last year were something like £3.5 billion last year!

I know who I think is taking the piss here, and its not the unemployed people who will be forced to work night shifts at Tesco for their £67 a week

So in effect, public money is being taken from those who genuinely cannot work, assessed via spurious means then the same public money is being handed to the fat cats ie tesco et alles, CEOs, share holders are the winners?

"Employment' numbers are tweaked to look good?

So when does the revolution begin?

This is eugenics and fascism.

That change in allowance will end up costing the NHS alot more.

Theirs a website, i saw on here once

wearethe99% im sure you know what i mean.

its american and about money, health care, rent, college ect, its really awful. I can see this country becoming that, especially if the NHS gets abolished. I wont go and see a doctor if the NHS gets abolished, i'll just get my dad to pinch the stuff from work...

Spot on Shile, but and you'll like this, I read somewhere (if I see it again I'll link it) that companies are being paid £14,000 per workfare person by the government...where the hell is that money coming from?

I phoned Jeremy Vine this afternoon as they were discussing Workfare.
i pointed out that terminally ill people would be expected to work for nothing for the profit of large corporations, and that carers of people with disabilities were also expected to work for nothing AND pay for care for the people they care for from their benefits.

They didn't feature me. I wonder why not?

The media are STILL hiding the impact of cuts on the sick and people with disabilities. The only media that has really tried to do something has been the Guardian and the Independent. This is SHAMEFUL.

Because of this people are SLEEPWALKING into barbarity for the most vulnerable people in this country.

Plus this scheme is taking paid work from those already employed.

Please do not sleepwalk, sign the petition!

Ive just read an Article on The Guardian, and it was quite insightful. It mentioned about Interns getting compensation.. particularly liked that bit.

I have to admit, i read the Daily Mail online, but only to Laugh at Liz Jones....

ATOS Puzzled as I didn't know anything about ATOS I have found this which I feel is worth a read. Basically Atos appears to be another big American health firm that is determined to make money off the British Tax payer.

"research exposed the reality, which is that Atos Origin Medical Services are a replica of the assessment system used by American corporate insurance giant Unum Provident Insurance, now known as Unum Insurance and, notoriously, the 2nd most discredited insurance company in America. They are powerful, untouchable and in the UK to destroy our welfare system at the invitation of successive British governments"

"Unum Insurance have been government advisers since 1994, their memorandums to government committees have been adopted verbatum for the ongoing welfare reforms, and this country is on route to American style welfare, funded by insurance, as Unum Insurance now flood the UK market with mass marketing for their Income Protection Insurance as the DWP remove welfare support"

Atos is French in origin, was used in the US but banned in several state for being so fucking useless.

Atos are/were used in the States and are famous for throwing out insurance claims on technicalities.

On the people people with disabilities being forced to work thing.

It is a scandal that they have done this.

But I doubt many employers would actually take on people who were medically unfit to work - they would worry about the negative publicity of getting caught up in that, they would worry about injury etc and they would think they might get more work out of the people who were simply on JSA.

So while I think the rules are shocking and pressure should be applied to change them and the whole thing is outrageous etc I hope that in practice people who are unwell will not be placed (unless they want to be I guess).

I'm seriously considering uprooting my family and moving to Scotland to escape the cunts who are running the country. The mark of a civilised society is how it treats its vulnerable, the condems are not only pushing the vulnerable down, they're putting the boot in at the same time.
Petition signed. Tesco et al are now on my boycot list.
The condems truely do put the N in cuts.

www.socialworkfuture.org/index.php/articles-and-analysis/articles/193-the-truth-behind-welfare-reforms link, sorry, don't take my word for it.

So not only are large American business undermining the NHS it's also behind welfare reform.

When oh when are the majority of the public going to wake up to the fact that this government is morally bankrupt.

www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmselect/cmworpen/401/3021203.htm this is how big fat cats are shaping welfare policy

"It is UnumProvident's contention, and its commercial experience, that acquiring a disability does not make one incapable of work"

that depends on how you define disability, its possible that these nasty bastards don't recognise anything less than death! all because they want to flog us their welfare insurance.

So because I'm disabled I wont be able to claim Carers Allowance for looking after my disabled child?

KateSpade, I'm 57 this year. I worked in advertising & the media for 25 years - big London names. I had a ball. So did my fashion friend Jackie, who ended up as a top buyer for Arcadia. We started out as juniors - on salary. We were given the same kind of training you're getting now, got promoted, moved around, all good.

The last work experience girl in my office (at a national newspaper) was on the YOPS scheme in around 2000. She was paid by the state for six months while getting proper training, going on courses, etc. When her time was up the paper was compelled to create a paid job for her role, and had to give good reasons if she didn't get that job - she did, she was great.

The only excuse for making people work for nothing is greed. At least YOPS was a genuine job creation scheme. The current Work Programme makes a mockery of the concept.

Your employers, and all those like them, should be paying you. Not the state, because you'll go on to be an asset to the industry. Why should taxpayers fund that? They have to bring in new talent anyway! They're just taking the piss.

Why are there no national strikes or set boycotts?

Is there a comprehensive list of companies who are profiteering involved?

ATOS are a French computer-services company.

What they've actually sold the UK govt is use of some software that allocates points when a multiple choice questionnaire is filled in, plus the contract to populate the database. The "medical assessments" are basically date-entry jobs, which is why they're mostly done by nurses and physios, etc, rather than doctors. Frankly the receptionist could do them.

IIUC, they created a UK arm specifically to do this, calling it ATOS Healthcare, and have expanded the model into occupational therapy for employers - but with different criteria, so a person found not Fit to Work and sacked through ATOS Occ will be told they are Fit to Work by ATOS DWP.

Deluded by their own name - and recognising where to dip their hands in a new stream of public money - they signed a contract to provide actual healthcare in East London. Then realised this looking-after-people lark was actually quite hard and not as profitable as they thought, and slunk away dumping the pieces straight back in the local NHS's lap.

I've just been reading that disabled and sick poeple will have to do workfare indefinately. Not the 6 months for non-disabled people.
WTAF

SQ, you're overestimating the amount of choice in this, I fear. Let's say your business has signed up with A4E to one of the programmes - they will give you a couple of grand out of their bounty for each placement.

Meanwhile, I go in for my JC+ review and am TOLD to turn up at your business next Monday. You know nothing about me. I inform you of my health problems, but by then we're both contractually bound so we decide to muddle along somehow. On my second day I collapse. Third day, I can't get out of the house.

Now I have defaulted on my contract and the JC+ advisor (independently) has authority to stop my ESA. When this stops, my housing benefit will too. I will also stop getting free medication. She can maintain the 'sanction' for up to three years by which time I should imagine I'll be dead.

Meanwhile your provider is saying they won't pay your bonus because you failed to keep me in the programme. So, most likely, you agree to write me off and start over with some other claimant.

I'm not making this up ... It's what the rules say.

Hello garlic

Oh shit.

Yes, and the contract is not between the disabled person and the business, garlicfrother, its between, hmm...

Well the business has a contract with A4E. The disabled person is bounden to the JobCentre.

It's not going to be cancellable by mutual consent between business and disabled person.

I just can't see that many companies will want headlines saying "women undergoing chemotherapy forced to work for nothing in night shift at xxx shop" - surely?

Link to Frothers' blog, btw :) toomanycuts.blogspot.com

Oh you're right, SQ, they don't want headlines.

But they don't really want the sort of coverage Tesco was getting last night, either, and it hasn't stopped Tesco making hay in that particular field while the sun shone.

It will be implemented, then modified after a few years when the bad publicity rolls in. In the meantime lots of suffering and possibly a few deaths (with lots of haggling about whether workfare was a contributing factor, and no satisfactory answers).

Or we could get outraged before doomed rules are brought in and not rely on the DWP or profit-making multinationals to Just Play Nice.

It's just Paid Internships are so rare and hard to find, Im not bankrolled thousands of pounds a month by my mum and dad so living in london isnt an option.

It's a bastard really.

Do they CRB check the job seekers who are sent to work night shifts with vulnerable people?

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2102484/This-wartime-Nazi-Germany-Camerons-attacks-vulnerable-needy-stopped.html