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Does any one actually know kids like this?

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westcoastnortherner · 15/02/2012 16:44

Yes, Yes I know it's a Daily Mail article, but are there really that many kids like this out there?!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101292/They-wear-nappies-drink-cola--dont-know-open-book-One-teachers-terrifying-insight-5-year-olds-failed-parents.html#comments

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usualsuspect · 15/02/2012 17:26

I live on a council estate and I think the article is mostly bollocks

pchick · 15/02/2012 17:27

I don't know anyone like this. Even in the pre-school my children went to, the children had to be out of nappies. However, I can believe that soem children drink alot of fizzy drinks, or spend long hours on consoles or in front of tvs. Unfortunately, I think it is a typical DM article.

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Firawla · 15/02/2012 17:30

I think the home visits for starting school is normal, we had one for ds1 starting school nursery and the other borough I used to live in did them routinely too

usualsuspect · 15/02/2012 17:31

Home visits for school are normal around here too

ApocalypseCheeseToastie · 15/02/2012 17:32

Yep, one family........they're a walking daily mail stereotype sadly.

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pud1 · 15/02/2012 17:34

I have not read the article but have a friend who's 4 year old son does not own a book on the account that he can't read so she does not see the point

ByTheWay1 · 15/02/2012 17:34

(I am a lunchtime supervisor - so get to clear up the crap so to speak.... ) Our school has 2 reception classes so 60 kids - 4 of them were in pull ups starting school. One of them still is. I wish 2 of the others were - one likes to walk round the playground at lunchtime with poop between his fingers ("where did you get THAT from?" "I picked it out of my botty" - lovely....) the other pulls down his trousers and pees in the bushes - giving the old ladies at the bus stop outside school a lovely view....

I would say 20% cannot use a fork, 40% a knife - 14 kids said they were not allowed to touch knives at all....

my daughters are y5 and 6 - at a conservative estimate 70% of Y6 have at least 1 filling, 50% of Y5......

So though some of the tale seems far fetched, yep I can believe a lot of it...

SpringingAllTheWay · 15/02/2012 17:39

Yes! I work in a school and some of our children were like this when they first came in. We have the most adorable little girl who is lovely and from home has every gadget going. You could say in terms of possessions, she 'wants for nothing'. But she is usually either carried out of school each day or sometimes goes in the pushchair and doesn't recognise her own name. We are working on things though and she is improving :D

CroissantNeuf · 15/02/2012 17:39

Yes I've known children like those mentioned in the article but that was when I worked for Social Services and was working with families who had been identified as needing input/support

westcoastnortherner · 15/02/2012 17:40

pud1 thats so sad, i love books.

There is a children's book collection at our children's school at the mo I send in 3 carrier bags of books the kids have grown out of now, they will then be distributed to children who can not afford them in the local area.

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 15/02/2012 17:41

i know kids with fillings who have extremely loving home lives so I wouldn't use that as a yardstick

pud1 · 15/02/2012 17:42

I know it's is sad. Last time they visited he loved my dds book collection. I did consider buying him some for his birthday but decided to mind my own business

catgirl1976 · 15/02/2012 17:47

God this thread is sad :(

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 15/02/2012 17:47

the thing that makes me sad about this is that there are a lot of kids out there with unDXed SN and the things people are saying here "their parents won't let them do anything" etc are exactly the things people say about the parents of those kids before they get a DX..was told DD's developmental delay was because I "let her rule the roost", also that I "didn't train her enough", I didn't "have her playing with other kids enough", you name it...well actually she has a chromosome deletion and severe autism.

Before I am accused I am not "making this all about SN" (I'm sure someone will say that in a minute) but do be careful if judging someone's parenting as being responsible for a child's delays/lack of skills unless you 100% know they have no SN, otherwise it is very unfair indeed.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 15/02/2012 17:48

clearly if these issues are down to neglect then it is very sad

HipHopOpotomus · 15/02/2012 17:49

I just read that article and found it very hard to believe. I've never met any kids like that. But I'm not a teacher and I don't meet that many kids!!! Thanks for starting the thread OP - I wanted to ask the question myself.

StealthPolarBear · 15/02/2012 17:52

Yeah surely its the kids who need fillings but aren't getting them who are of concern, on the whole.
Parts of this thread are very sad reading. Child poverty is about so much more than lack of money, and there are things being done, but what would change this. There is mo reason for a child in England to live like this. (i hate that a child anywhere in the world lives like this, but in England I know its not inevitable)

molly3478 · 15/02/2012 17:52

I agree fanjo but I think for many they have such chaotic home lives their parents cant cope. I cant share the stories obviously but I know more than few truly shocking cases and many where even though it is extremely chaotic at home they are left there for considerable amounts of time, as ss ike to keep families together.

Ineedalife · 15/02/2012 17:54

I work in preschool in a pretty wealthy area, quite a few LO's come in not knowing any nursery rhymes, I find it hard to comprehend that you wouldn't sing twinkle twinkle to your baby.

Most of the LO's are from very loving homes but I have noticed that the number of children with little or no language has increased.

Nearly all the LO's I work with are toilet trained before they go to Nursery/Reception, just one or two haven't been ready over the last 6 years but they have had SN's. Although we did have one family who had to be asked repeatedly to send the LO in pants not nappies as he was asking everyday to use the toilet like his friends and we were taking his nappy off so that he could.

Dustinthewind · 15/02/2012 17:56

'i know kids with fillings who have extremely loving home lives so I wouldn't use that as a yardstick'

I agree, a lot of the children I taught were loved. Their parents didn't feed them adequately, wash them, clothe them properly, give them toys or books but they did love them.
When we started a toy library up, we had sessions for the parents first to teach them how to play. I had playmobil taken from class, when I went on a homevisit they were on display as ornaments on the mantelpiece.
One child proudly showed me the roses he'd got for his mum for her birthday,
a tub with three bushes he'd dug up and nicked from the park. The same child was 8 and had half his teeth due to a diet of coke and no toothbrush, like several others in the class. Lots of love.
When you walk into an infant class and it stinks like skid row, then you really can't pretend to yourself that it isn't real. When they get changed for PE and take off five layers of clothing so soiled it keeps their body shape.
But yes, keep saying to yourselves that it's all fibs and then you don't need to think about this happening in your own country.
We're having a Dickensfest here at the moment, aren't we?

Remember Bleak House? Remember Joe?

'Jo is brought in. He is not one of Mrs. Pardiggle's Tockahoopo Indians; he is not one of Mrs. Jellyby's lambs, being wholly unconnected with Borrioboola-Gha; he is not softened by distance and unfamiliarity; he is not a genuine foreign-grown savage; he is the ordinary home-made article.
Dirty, ugly, disagreeable to all the senses, in body a common creature of the common streets, only in soul a heathen.
Homely filth begrimes him, homely parasites devour him, homely sores are in him, homely rags are on him; native ignorance, the growth of English soil and climate, sinks his immortal nature lower than the beasts that perish. Stand forth, Jo, in uncompromising colours!
From the sole of thy foot to the crown of thy head, there is nothing interesting about thee.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 15/02/2012 17:59

But the kids I know are loved and their parents keep them clean and clothe them and read them books etc and they want for nothing, but they still have fillings even despite going to dentist regularly

fullofregrets · 15/02/2012 18:00

A lot of this comes down to life opportunities, whatever the background of the child. Many of the children where I taught had NEVER been off the estate where they lived. They were 7. When we took them to the city centre things like escalators and automatic doors were a source of utter amazement.

TotemPole · 15/02/2012 18:02

They wear nappies, drink cola and don't know how to open a book.

This^^^ and the other examples along with the 40% figure quoted , make it sound as though 40% of children have all or most of these problems.

It's more likely that the 40% can do most things but fail to make one or two of the key development indicators. A smaller % will fail in more areas.

It's sensationalist journalism. Typical DM, IMO.

Can't open a book?!!! I've picked up a book, not paying attention to what I was doing, and tried to open it from the wrong side.

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