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To ask you all what the fuck I am supposed to do now with non-sleeping 2yr old

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lecce · 12/02/2012 19:29

About two weeks ago I posted here about the possibility of leaving my 2.6yr old to cry it out because I can't stand him fussing, bfing and lying bang on top of me all night anymore. I work f/t, on my last legs etc etc.

People were mainly against the idea (as was I, hence the post) but in fact, when I sort of tried it 1 week ago, after 10/15 mins of crying, ds started asking for a toy, I went in and gave it, he snuggled back down. I was ecstatic - had expected hours of hysterical crying.

The first three nights, he did this several times but with the spaces between the wakings extending every night. At no point did he even ask for bf, never mind get one. Great, I thought, we're getting there. The 4th night he slept from 7-4.30 am and then again from 4.40-6am. He has never slept more than 6 hours at a time before and usually only lasts 2/3 so I was so happy.

That was the end of our short-lived success. Since that night, his wakings are more frequent and his crying more fervent. His requests for toys have become ridiculous and he is asking for them just to finds ways to stop me from leaving. However many he has, he asks for more and cries when I try to leave the room - earlier in the week I was leaving with him awake and sleepy with no problems. He is waking every 2 hours and I am spending up to an hour in his room each time. The crying is so loud that I am amazed ds1, in the same room, hasn't woken.

I just don't know what to do. I do all the night-time stuff as dh has MS. In fact, he is well now and has offered to help but he's shit at it and last night got in bed with ds which, though it did give me some respite, is not really a step in the right direction.

Someone on here suggested a role-play thingy which we have done tonight. I also got him to choose a set of bedtime snugglies, showing him that he has the same amount and type as ds1 as he looks up to him. When I tried to put him to bed about 45 mins ago he started asking for a toy dino (only ones we have are hard). He's only doing it as a delay tactic and I want to dsicourage him from asking for random stuff all night so I said no, you've chosen your bedtime toys, here they are etc.

Since then he has been crying hysterically and shouting that he wants a dino. I have been in a couple of times (dh out) and he just gets louder when I go in. I feel so angry with him now Blush. I know that's a terrible thing to say and I don't mean I feel like hurting him but I'm just so incredibly pissed off with this situation.

It's half-term (am a teacher) but I'm just going to feel absolutely shattered all week and then have to go back to work - still shattered. I've had enough. I just keep thinking that the best years of my life - with toddlers/young dc (love this age) are passing me by and I'm not enjoying them at all because I'm so tired all the time. I've been in a foul mood all weekend, snappy etc. We've done ok stuff but no craft etc I don't know, I just feel it's not good enough and all because I can't sort this sleeping business.

I'm sorry for writing so much, just needed to vent, though if anyone has a magic answer - great.

Thanks for reading.

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bumbleymummy · 14/02/2012 19:55

There are other options Kerala, it's just whether or not the OP wants to try them and whether or not they will work for her son. IMO CIO (cry-it-out) is never an option but I realise that many people use CC(controlled crying)and while I dislike it and wouldn't use it myself I don't object as strongly when it is used with older children who are more aware that mummy and daddy are on the other side of the door/downstairs/whatever although I also think that it's will not work for all children either.

bumbleymummy · 14/02/2012 19:56

I don't think anyone has said otherwise Avantia.

LeQueen · 14/02/2012 19:57

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TartyMcFarty · 14/02/2012 19:59

I'm watching with interest. Apologies for this hijack, but DD (2) seems to be able to make herself sick if she's left to cry for just a couple of minutes. Anyone else dealt with this?

Avantia · 14/02/2012 20:00

No I dont think they have . But I will still point it out . Isn't it time you were off to put your children to bed so that they know you are there and care Grin

hazeyjane · 14/02/2012 20:01

''Sleep deprivation can endanger your health and your family relationships''

If the option of cio/cc isn't there then you just have to work out ways to get the most amount of sleep for everyone in the family. It isn't neat, and takes quite a bit of working out, but sometimes it is the only option.

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busybusybust · 14/02/2012 20:04

Oh, OP, I can'y even tell you how much you should just explain to this lovely little manipulator that he doesn't need you and that it is bedtime, and that you will be in the next room, but you won't be back until the morning.

This was my eldest son! I did it (and hated it at the time) and, guess what - after 3 days of absolute hysterical screaming (diminishing each day) - he never woke me up again.

What a mug I was!

He is now 32, and extremely well-balanced and successful (but still, is I am honest, a little manipulative!)

Your son is playing you - YOU are in charge, not him!

LeQueen · 14/02/2012 20:07

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Avantia · 14/02/2012 20:08

Tarty - my last comment was for Bummbleymummy not you Smile.

bumbleymummy · 14/02/2012 20:10

That's your opinion Lequeen. You are not I'm the mind of a 2 year old and you don't know what worries/scares them. My 2 yo freaked out today because he thought I had gone out of the house and left him when I had simply walked from the kitchen into the utility room to get the cat food. He was crying his heart out in the hallway looking for me. Other days he will play happily and be completley oblivious to where I am or what I'm doing in the house. At that age they are usually with us/someone they know/trust all day and then suddenly we expect them to just go it alone at night. I think it's a bit unreasonable.

MarianneM · 14/02/2012 20:10

I haven't read the whole thread, but I posted quite recently about us spending 1,5 hours plus putting my 3yo DD to bed every night - with her doing all sorts of tricks, demanding toys, milk etc etc. We cut her daytime nap, and now she goes to bed without any trouble and is asleep by 8-8.15pm (which is early for her). Does your DS nap during the day?

bumbleymummy · 14/02/2012 20:11

Not yet Avantia - they're ready for bed and I'm watching for signs of tiredness though :)

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veryworried29 · 14/02/2012 20:12

I really am astonished at the lengths some parents will go to not to let their children cry, ever.

When doing controlled crying with my own babies, I took the view that I was not making them cry, I was allowing them to cry because they were very tired and sleepy and wanted something (sleep) and felt a bit sad/frustrated that they didn't know how to get it. So that's ok then, but sooner or later (sooner rather than later ime) the baby gets over the sadness and frustration, realises all is not so terrible after all and goes to sleep.

Controversially, I think it is possible to do your children positive harm in not showing them how to go to bed at night and go to sleep independently. I wonder how much happier some tots' daytime experiences would be if they were well-rested and their parents were too? Babies and toddlers need alert, functioning, happy parents during the day. At night they need to sleep. Always amazes me that families get to the point where their 1, 2, 3 year old has never slept through the night ... how???

bumbleymummy · 14/02/2012 20:13

only 3 days of hysterical screaming Hmm I wouldn't let them go 3 minutes!

Avantia · 14/02/2012 20:14

yes bummblemummy we all know that by now Hmm

LeQueen · 14/02/2012 20:15

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bumbleymummy · 14/02/2012 20:17

Well mine have happily gone to bed with no tears angst or stress and no tears either since they were that age. Well rested happy babies/children and well rested, happy parents here. :)

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bumbleymummy · 14/02/2012 20:21

Nope, becuase it's possible to do it without 3 days of hysterical screaming and still have peaceful bedtimes for the next umpteen years. We've managed it and so have many of our friends. It's hardly rocket science!

GnomeDePlume · 14/02/2012 20:26

Lecce & Gribble - what happens if you simply keep your DCs downstairs with you? Does they stay awake forever? Would it matter very much if your DCs stayed up longer? I am assuming that ther arent operating heavy machinery first thing tomorrow of course!

It really did my DCs no harm to stay up later than the fashion. Perhaps it helped that DH & I tend to watch boring documentaries so no exciting television to stimulate the child.

Once they each started school they were naturally more tired and quite happy to go to bed earlier.

Perhaps controlled crying, crying it out whatever works for some but it does just sound like an awful lot of screaming and crying to me. I find the ascribing of adult emotion (controlling, manipulation, outraged screaming etc) to a 2 - 3 year old a bit odd.

Each to their own though, mine are long past this stage so I shall rehearse the 'rod for your own back/need to get a routine/he or she's manipulating you' comments for when my lot start producing grandchildren!

SuchProspects · 14/02/2012 20:27

It was for your DCs bumbleymummy. But it wasn't for mine and may not be for some others.

trixymalixy · 14/02/2012 20:39

My sympathies. We seem to have managed to get DD (2.5)to sleep a bit better (touch wood) with a minimum of crying, by buying her a bunny LED nightlight and leaving her looking at a book. Settling herself to go to sleep without us seems to have helped her resettle herself at night.

There was a bit of crying, but we went in and said night night firmly and then left her again and she seems to have got the idea. Previously we'd been sitting with her for ages til she went to sleep, but the bunny and book in her cot introduced a new kind of routine.

flibbertywidget · 14/02/2012 20:41

Have read this with interest. HAve tried EVERYTHING with DS, about same age to OP.

will try some further suggestions