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to ask the school to seperate yr 2 girls and boys when changing for PE

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Idasonions · 09/02/2012 15:50

my dd is almost 7 and wants me to buy her cropped tops to wear under her school blouse as 'the boys laugh and point at the girls boobies' when they change for PE.

My dd is getting distressed about this, She is completley flat chested still and I dont want to buy her a bra like top but I dont want her to be self concious either.

WIBU to speak to the teacher ?
Is this normal behaviour ?

I am guessing they wont have facilities to change seperatly but I dont want her to feel like this for another year before she moves to middle school.

OP posts:
valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 16:24

From year 4 it is definitely different, some of ds's class mates started their periods in yr 5 but the op is talking about yr 2.

The boys probably said it once or twice, had a giggle and the teacher more than likely told the girls to ignore their silliness if my experience in classrooms is anything to go by.

I'll say it again OP - your dd REALLY wants a crop top Wink

4madboys · 10/02/2012 16:45

just buy her some vests! kids this age get changed together in my kids primary, i think from yr 4 they go in seperate rooms? possibly yr 5 actually. either way at that age my dd will be wearing a vest. i got my first 'crop top' at age 10ish when i starting getting breast buds, dd will be the same, once htere is a need for one physically she will have one and before then she will wear a vest!

i think bum, boob, fart, poo humour is totally NORMAL at that age, the boys should be told off for it i agree, i would have a quiet word with the teacher, but not go in all guns blazing, its just kids being kids at that age imo.

PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 17:13

I am obviously a prude but 'boob' humour is not okay, at all, in my book. They are not sexual bullies, but making a girl feel uncomfortable about her body by shouting 'boobies' is sexual bullying. I hope that this is the child wanting crop tops, which is a whole other worrying thread, as the alternative is a pretty crap teacher.

Besides The Sun would be glad of such behaviour from little boysWink.

valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 17:19

It doesn't say boys were shouting 'boobies' Confused

Do you have kids posie and if you do how old are they?

PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 17:25

Yes Valium, 9,8,5,3.... boys and girls. They have all be taught that people's bodies are to be respected, and pointing and laughing would be beyond the pale to be honest. We are a relatively naked and liberal household.

4madboys · 10/02/2012 17:26

no one says its ok, i think the consensus is the boys should be told its not ok to laugh and point at a child, for any reason! but equally poo, bum, boob, fart humour is totally normal at that age! my almost 4yr old calls him bum his 'butt' very american and he says some very funny things about his 'butt' he is just being an almost 4yr old. if he is inappropriate then i tell him so,b ut children will whisper and giggle at the sight of a bit of bare bum etc, its just normal for that age.

PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 17:26

And if they're not shouting 'boobies' how does anyone know?

PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 17:27

bare bum, yes. But pointing at 6 yr old girls 'boobies' is not on;.

valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 17:28

I find it really hard to believe that with your experience of children that at some point there hasn't been talk of boobies and toilet humour.

There is a HUGE difference between a little giggle about boobies and standing there pointing and ridiculing someone's body.

4madboys · 10/02/2012 17:28

the childrens laughter etc shouldl be dealt with as its innappropriate, but idoubt they are doing it to deliberately UPSET the girl(s) its more just a common ground of humour for children of that age. they should be told its innappropriate but its nto sexual bullying, its children acting their age and being a bit silly and giggly.

MrsHeffley · 10/02/2012 17:28

Pointing and laughing a couple of times is not sexual bullying.Kids point and laugh all the time. From my experience girls do this far more as lets face it willies are rather humorous to look at if you've not seen one that often and they can pop out during changing times.

As I said previously getting ks1 kids changed is often a snatched few minutes with kids racing to get dressed.Kids just don't have time to stand around focusing on other people's bits and pieces.

Seriously worried at the sexualisation of young kids on this thread.Kids don't think that way to tease at 6/7 and most girls I know wouldn't give a stuff as they're errr little girls and wouldn't have a clue what the fuss was about

valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 17:29

You keep saying they are shouting Confused

valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 17:31

And it is just as likely that the girls wearing crop tops were showing off a bit with their lovely new 'bras' and the boys cottoned on and had a giggle. 6 year olds giggle - about EVERYTHING.

MrsFionaCharming · 10/02/2012 18:00

Talk about twisting what happened Valium, the boys were teasing the girls, so clearly it must be the girls fault? Nice.

valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 18:03

I said it is just as likely gribbet I did NOT say it was the girls' fault. I said the majority of 6 year olds giggle at EVERYTHING. There is not enough info in the post to come to any definite conclusion.

And posie it would be ok to giggle at a bare bum but not boobies? Confused

JaneMare · 10/02/2012 18:10

it's ok to giggle about bear bums as everyone has one

it's not ok to giggle and point at breasts as it's making a joke of the difference between male/female bodies

women's bodies are the butt (arf) of jokes, but they are only funny if you're not in possession of one Angry

JaneMare · 10/02/2012 18:11

BARE

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PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 18:13

They're not giggling at breasts are they? They are pointing and laughing at little girls and saying 'boobies' this has to be addressed. I'm not weirdly sat here thinking they're perverts, I'm thinking that this behaviour is inappropriate and no matter how young they are they should be told to stop.

And seeing a bare bottom is rather different than a small child's chest.

PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 18:14

Jane....precisely.

valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 18:15

I think it's recognising there are differences between boys and girls and giggling is a natural response for kids of 6, not something to be encouraged but not something to get het up about UNLESS it is something that happens week after week and there is nothing to say that is the case in the OP.

4madboys · 10/02/2012 18:16

it doesnt say that the boys 'say boobies' just that hey point and giggle.

what is the difference between a bare bum or a small childs chest, as this age all bottoms and all chests look the same!

valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 18:17

To me the OP is about a little girl trying to persuade her mum she needs a crop top, nothing more, nothing less.

PosiePumblechook · 10/02/2012 18:17

Valium, there aren't too many differences at 6, aside from their genitals.

I thought the OP's dd was upset, surely that wasn't from one tiny incident... "my dd is almost 7 and wants me to buy her cropped tops to wear under her school blouse as 'the boys laugh and point at the girls boobies' when they change for PE." The way this is phrased I would assume it's a common occurrence.

valiumredhead · 10/02/2012 18:25

Oh God, kids can be dramatic though, ds can rant away about 'one tint incident' for days Grin

I think it's something we'll have to agree to disagree on even though I KNOW I am right Wink

piprabbit · 10/02/2012 18:28

I changed school in Y6 - and started wearing a bra because I had small breasts.

Despite girls and boys changing separately, the girls told the boys about my bra and boys laughed at me everyday. To put it bluntly, it set a pattern of humiliation and bullying that continued right through secondary school. If I had had classmates laughing at my body from age 6 for a decade, then I would have been destroyed. As it was I only had to tolerate 6 years of the utter nobbers.

So yes, I would be asking the teacher to point out that teasing about bodies is inappropriate. And buying DD a vest.

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