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to expect my 68yr old mother to keep a clean house?

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 09:59

Am I being unreasonable to expect my mum who is not ill, has no health problems apart from high cholesterol, to keep the house tidy and clean?

Me and my 2 DCs, 17 months and 3.2yrs have just returned from a 4 day stay at my parents house and yesterday my DD of 17 months got a vomitting bug. Now I am feeling so guilty that I allowed her to be in a house which is unclean and unhygienic and yesterday I told my mum I won't be visiting again (they live 4hrs away) due to the mess.

She harldly ever does any housework. She claims she does. She came back from holiday about 5 days before we visited and I asked her what she was doing in that time (not in a why haven't you tidied up way, but to hear what she's been up to) and she said she'd been tidying up, but the house was just as messy and unclean.

My dad who is 74, does his fair share of housework (he always been doing more of the housework than my mum), but it is a largish house, so can't do everything himself, plus he is old, but still relatively healthy.

As a result the house is pretty filthy, not quite bad to get Kim and Aggie involved, but I am constantly stepping over the mess. The floor is not clean, the carpets havent' been hoovered properly, the washed dishes are still dirty, there are marks on the walls, on the doors etc. My mum's bedroom smells of stale, sweaty clothes. She never opens the window to let any air in, claiming that it is too cold. Her room is a total mess.

The living room where the kids spend most of their time is relatively clean, but still messier and dirtier than average I would say.

My mother I feel, is just lazy. She just doesn't want to do any cleaning. She said that she doesnt' DO hoovering. She is in denial that the house is a mess. She will sit on the sofa drinking tea whilst there is mess all around her. She will go to bed at 8.30pm, claiming she is tired (when she's hardly done anything throughout the day). She cooks a meal, fair enough, but she leaves a mess in the kitchen and me and my dad does all the clearing up. I cook in our house and DH cleans up, but I clear away the cooking ingrediants too and put all the washing in the appropriate place next to the sink.

When she's been up to help after my DCs were born, she has to be told what to do, even things like taking plates back to the kitchen. She only wanted to help with the DCs, i.e hold them. She said she wasn't there to help with the housework. When DS was born, he had trouble latching on and I needed to give him a top up, so asked my mum to boil a nipple to steralise it. DS was 6 days old. Later after the feed I discovered that she boiled it in a pan she had cooked porridge in that morning and hadn't cleaned it up properly. I went ballistic. I was hormonal and that was the last straw.

Am I being to unreasonable to expect her to be tidier and cleaner. How can I ever visit my parents again? I don't know if my DDs vomitting was due to the filth in the house, but it is very likely. I just feel so upset over everything, and my mum just denies everything.

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D0oinMeCleanin · 30/01/2012 10:02

Um, it's not your house. Pay out for a hotel next time if you're not happy. YABVU.

ItWasABoojum · 30/01/2012 10:03

Is there a chance she could be depressed? Going to bed that early and letting the house get into a state sound like warning signs. If so, maybe she needs some help - could you and your dad give the house a good going-over so everything is more manageable?

TheDogTheDogHesAtItAgain · 30/01/2012 10:03

So meet your parents somewhere else.

JustHecate · 30/01/2012 10:04

Yes, you are. She doesn't have to if she doesn't want to.

However - doesn't want to keep her home clean, goes to bed so early, claims to be tired even though she doesn't do anything - these can be signs of depression.

Or she could be ill and undiagnosed.

Perhaps you could suggest a trip to the gp?

That said, if she's not ill and she's not depressed, that doesn't mean that you have to suffer spending time in a filthy house if you don't want to! If you don't want to be in that environment you have the absolute right to say mum, look, it's your choice to keep a filthy house, but I'm not setting foot in it and neither are my children. I love you, but I'm just not doing it. You'll have to come here, or we'll meet out and about.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:05

Well I can't afford to pay for a hotel to visit my own parents for a few days, and they would hate the idea of that anway, so that is not an option. And stay in a hotel room with two small DCs for several days? No thanks.

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lesley33 · 30/01/2012 10:05

I understand your unhappiness, but no I don't think you can expect this. It is her house and up to her and your DF what their house is like.

I do wonder though from some of your examples whether her eyesight is poor and she can't actually see that dishes are still dirty for example. My FIL is like this and will think he has washed up fine and can't actually see the food still on the plates.

JustHecate · 30/01/2012 10:05

arrgg. depression is an illness also. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I meant something like thyroid or something, iyswim.

redskyatnight · 30/01/2012 10:05

My mother is the same. She either doesn't see the dirt or she's just got used to it. But she's been like that all my life. It wasn't until I moved into a shared house at 19 that I realised that most people cleaned their bathroom more than twice a year.

It's one of the reasons I won't let the DC stay there without me and generally do some spot cleaning while I'm there.

I don't think there is a lot you can do about it though - other than take same approach as me and be careful how much you expose the DC.

Kayano · 30/01/2012 10:07

I don't do hoovering Confused

yellowvan · 30/01/2012 10:08

I think you could try to find out why she is having these issues. Depression? Early onset alzeimers? (just suggestions, I don't know her, obv) Offer to help her do a major blitz to get back on top of it all, discuss downsizing if house is too much? Imo, maintaining a large house CAN get to much for someone, even under 70, and once it starts heading that way, getting on top of it becomes a major issue. Think you need a bit more sympathy tbh.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:08

Problem is that they live 4hours away, so meeting out and about isnt an option either.
But I get what you are saying. It is her choice to keep the house like that, so the only thing I could do is not going in there.

Not sure she is depressed. She is always meeting up with friends and going out. I don't know if that is an indication is not depressed?

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Kladdkaka · 30/01/2012 10:09

I love my daughter very much, but if she was passing judgment on the state of my house like this, she'd be out on her arse.

bejeezus · 30/01/2012 10:10

Would you really not see your parents again because their house is dirty???

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:10

"My mother is the same. She either doesn't see the dirt or she's just got used to it. But she's been like that all my life. It wasn't until I moved into a shared house at 19 that I realised that most people cleaned their bathroom more than twice a year."

Sounds just like when I grew up. It's only after I left home and in a shared house I realised that people changed their bedding more than once or twice a year Shock

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:11

Would you really not see your parents again because their house is dirty???

Do I want to put my DC's health at risk?

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EauDeLaPoisson · 30/01/2012 10:12

Kids don't get vomiting bugs from messy houses! You sound like a bit of a busy body tbh

altinkum · 30/01/2012 10:13

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ItWasABoojum · 30/01/2012 10:14

She is always meeting up with friends and going out. I don't know if that is an indication is not depressed?

No, it's not. If she is suffering from depression, she may be trying to keep going as normally as possible - but by the time she gets home putting on a front has got exhausting and she can't do anything else. See the spoon theory for an idea of where I'm coming from.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:14

Kladdkaka - Is your house messy and filthy? Have you got dirty bathrooms? Do you leave dirty filthy rags on the floor for your DGs to play with? Do you leave pills on the floor for your baby DG to pick up and put in her mouth (I stopped my DD just intime before she put a pill in her mouth)? Do you??

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StrandedBear · 30/01/2012 10:14

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:15

*You allowed your children to live in a house that is below your standards, so ultimately you took that decision, you cannot blame your parents for the way they choose to handle the care of their home, however you can choose for your children not to live in a house that is below your standards.

That is your responsibility.*

Yes absolutely. That is why we are not going there anymore.

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bejeezus · 30/01/2012 10:16

My inlaws live in a stick and mud hut in rural Africa with no running water

You just take precautions

Change bedding when you go/clean bathroom/eat out etc if it is that bad- how bad is it? I doubt there health is actually at that much risk

Depends what your priorities are. Relationships with people I love run deeper than the cleanliness of their house

PopcornMouse · 30/01/2012 10:16

YABU for blaming your DM 99.9%, when by your own accounts your DD is of a similar age and health - but it's her who's lazy and isn't tidying up?? Hmm I think there is more of a backstory here??

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:17

No children don't get vomitting bugs from messy houses (our house is messy a lot of the time with two little ones in it), but they could from a dirty house, no?

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Kladdkaka · 30/01/2012 10:17

Yep. My house cleaning is pretty appalling. I do what I can, but it's way down on the list of priorities. I haven't done the washing from my holiday in October, the Christmas decorations are still up and I have yet to mop mop any of my floors.

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