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to expect my 68yr old mother to keep a clean house?

107 replies

choceyes · 30/01/2012 09:59

Am I being unreasonable to expect my mum who is not ill, has no health problems apart from high cholesterol, to keep the house tidy and clean?

Me and my 2 DCs, 17 months and 3.2yrs have just returned from a 4 day stay at my parents house and yesterday my DD of 17 months got a vomitting bug. Now I am feeling so guilty that I allowed her to be in a house which is unclean and unhygienic and yesterday I told my mum I won't be visiting again (they live 4hrs away) due to the mess.

She harldly ever does any housework. She claims she does. She came back from holiday about 5 days before we visited and I asked her what she was doing in that time (not in a why haven't you tidied up way, but to hear what she's been up to) and she said she'd been tidying up, but the house was just as messy and unclean.

My dad who is 74, does his fair share of housework (he always been doing more of the housework than my mum), but it is a largish house, so can't do everything himself, plus he is old, but still relatively healthy.

As a result the house is pretty filthy, not quite bad to get Kim and Aggie involved, but I am constantly stepping over the mess. The floor is not clean, the carpets havent' been hoovered properly, the washed dishes are still dirty, there are marks on the walls, on the doors etc. My mum's bedroom smells of stale, sweaty clothes. She never opens the window to let any air in, claiming that it is too cold. Her room is a total mess.

The living room where the kids spend most of their time is relatively clean, but still messier and dirtier than average I would say.

My mother I feel, is just lazy. She just doesn't want to do any cleaning. She said that she doesnt' DO hoovering. She is in denial that the house is a mess. She will sit on the sofa drinking tea whilst there is mess all around her. She will go to bed at 8.30pm, claiming she is tired (when she's hardly done anything throughout the day). She cooks a meal, fair enough, but she leaves a mess in the kitchen and me and my dad does all the clearing up. I cook in our house and DH cleans up, but I clear away the cooking ingrediants too and put all the washing in the appropriate place next to the sink.

When she's been up to help after my DCs were born, she has to be told what to do, even things like taking plates back to the kitchen. She only wanted to help with the DCs, i.e hold them. She said she wasn't there to help with the housework. When DS was born, he had trouble latching on and I needed to give him a top up, so asked my mum to boil a nipple to steralise it. DS was 6 days old. Later after the feed I discovered that she boiled it in a pan she had cooked porridge in that morning and hadn't cleaned it up properly. I went ballistic. I was hormonal and that was the last straw.

Am I being to unreasonable to expect her to be tidier and cleaner. How can I ever visit my parents again? I don't know if my DDs vomitting was due to the filth in the house, but it is very likely. I just feel so upset over everything, and my mum just denies everything.

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RoxyRobin · 30/01/2012 10:18

If it's such an issue for you then perhaps you should go armed with a box of cleaning materials and give the place a once-over at the beginning of your stay. Perhaps you can then forget about it and enjoy yourself.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:20

Popcornmouse - You meant my DF? He does do some cleaning and tidying, much more than my mum. My mum mostly just sits or is laying down, even when she is not ill (not taking into account possible depression) so it does come across as laziness.

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Haziedoll · 30/01/2012 10:20

There is a another more lighthearted thread about how our parents generation don't have the same hygiene standards that we do.

I think it's very unlikely that your child picked up a bug from their dirty house. It's actually quite healthy for a child's immune system to be exposed to germs. A too sterile environment doesn't give a the immune system a opportunity to build up a resistance to different bugs. Having said that I really don't like being in a dirty environment and wouldn't be able to relax so probably wouldn't want to stay overnight.

Do you think your parents would be happier in a smaller newer house that requires less upkeep?

StrandedBear · 30/01/2012 10:21

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TopazMortmain · 30/01/2012 10:22

Yes if you feel that strongly clean it yourself... I don't think you're going to catch anything particularly nasty if you don't but better than bully your mother into it...

D0oinMeCleanin · 30/01/2012 10:23

Kladdkaka that's impressive. I thought I was bad when I caught my dog licking peanut butter off the TV screen, which I still haven't cleaned yet Blush

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:23

I must be coming across as a very tidy person with a tidy house, but not at all. I leave clothes laying around and wet towels on the bed etc, but that doesn't even come close to what my parents house is like.
I know it's healthy for a child to be exposed to some germs, and believe me they do get exposed to germs at our house ( we both work and have 2 small DCs, so very difficult to find the time to do much housework), but again, nothing compared to my parents house.

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DonkeyTeapot · 30/01/2012 10:25

My mum is the same, and I find it really sad that she's quite happy to live in filth. It's like she genuinely doesn't see the dirt and mess. She has always been quite messy with leaving things around instead of putting them away, but she has got worse. These days she only washes up if there are no clean pots left, the worktops have crumbs and old sticky food bits up along the wall, the bathroom smells of urine, it turns my stomach. We live a long way from her (need a flight / ferry to visit) so only see her twice a year or so, so it's not like I have to deal with it often, but we did visit recently and I was shocked how bad it was, even for her. During a chat about other things she made a comment in passing about tidying up "if I've got a reason to tidy up", ie someone coming round. I was gutted that she didn't think that her daughter and first grandchild (5 months old) coming to visit was a reason worth tidying up for.

To get to the point, I think YANBU, but if you are sure she isn't ill or otherwise unable, you kind of have to let her get on with it. She is a grown up and can choose what conditions she lives in, but you are a grown up too and can choose whether or not you want to subject your DC to those conditions.

OneHandFlapping · 30/01/2012 10:25

I think your child is far more likely to have got the vomitting bug from another child than from a dirty house where nobody has been ill.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 30/01/2012 10:26

I really hope your parents leave their house to charity eventually, OP... you won't have to be bothered about it's state then...

Don't go, don't visit, don't think of getting some help for them or - shock, horror - organising a one-off cleaner to come in and blitz it, don't ever compromise... that's the key to a happy life, I'm sure. Confused

Kladdkaka · 30/01/2012 10:29

D0oinMeCleanin I have a furry, automatic vacuum cleaner too. Great aren't they. :o

WhereTheWildThingsWere · 30/01/2012 10:29

If you really think it is that bad, why don't you go and help out?

Maybe your Mum just cannot be arsed, they is more to life than cleaning. My Mums house actually does look like a Kim and Aggie job, I do help her but she creates more than I can sort and she is really not that fussed, she says life is way too short and she would rather do things that make her happy.

My kids still visit, I figure it will strengthen their immune systems no endGrin

Xmasbaby11 · 30/01/2012 10:29

My mother isn't a clean freak either, and it's not her finest quality, but it's her business. A lot of people find cleaning tiring/boring, and even though she has energy to do other things, she would clearly rather do those than clean. It's her house and her decision. I think you just have to accept that people have different standards with regards to cleanliness.

I notice that you're not worried about her - you're only worried about your DC - so it's only an issue when you stay. I think the only thing you can do is do some cleaning yourself when you go to visit. It is a big deal to have 4 visitors staying, so I'm sure she would appreciate some help.

If you really don't want to stay there again, please discuss it honestly with your DM and explain why. Try to come up with a compromise or solution to the problem. Or she could come and stay with you?

BTW I seriously doubt your child caught a bug from a dirty house.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:30

Donkeyteapot - yep sounds like my mother too. All the kitchen worktops are dirty and bits of old food everywhere. I just thought she'd make an effort for her only child and her GCs. But I think she does think she is. She just doesn't see the filth.

When I was growing up I was never shown how to clean anything, to tidy up. Never told that I needed to change bed linen. Never seen my mother change them, so I wasn't aware either. I was an only child and I never had to do any chores, help them with anything, which I think they thought was doing me good, but in hindsight, it just made me unware of how people live.

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squeakytoy · 30/01/2012 10:31

How did you manage to grow into a healthy adult in such a germ ridden house OP?

Xmasbaby11 · 30/01/2012 10:33

It seems unfair to lay all this on your DM when there are two of them living in the house! Why not have a word with your dad? He's clearly happy to live in the mess otherwise he would tackle it.

bejeezus · 30/01/2012 10:33

And you said they are both healthy themselves!

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 30/01/2012 10:34

Its her house.
You do not know that your child got a bug from the house. She is more likely to have caught it from you not washing your hands .

If this is as it appears YABVU.

If there is a whole back history of you having to live in filth throughout your childhood I have immense sympathy but that means the OP isnt really the issue is it?

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:37

There is definitely more to life than cleaning and I am of that attitude too. Definitely. I just do the bare minimum to ensure that we have a clean and safe environment for the kids. That's all. At the end of the day I am tired, so I'd rather watch something on the telly or read a book than do anymore cleaning, so I'm certainly NOT someone with high standards of cleanliness (obviously been brought up by my mum ensured that).

I don't know, Ok maybe I AIBU to expect her to clean up when her GCs are there.

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buttonmoon78 · 30/01/2012 10:39

I don't think that your child would have got a bug from a dirty house, far more likely to have been from another child.

And I do think that to some extent the standards we set for ourselves are often very different from the standards others may set. But it seems as if the situation is getting worse.

I agree that there may be a depression issue - I know that when I'm not on top form, my already messy and dusty house is way down the list. Equally, there may well be a problem with failing sight - I know several people who have dropped pills (and sometimes have been aware, sometimes not) which I have subsequently found when visiting with my dcs. I have never once assumed it was laziness or carelessness though. I have always put it down to being an accident.

If it bothers you that much though, then say to your dps that you don't feel comfortable in their house. Either suggest that visits for now are one way only or ask them if they would like you to arrange a cleaner for them.

Be warned though - a cleaner generally won't do anything about the junk. It will simply mean that the piles will be dust free Grin

Also - buy them a dog. As someone said upthread, the clean floor benefits are not to be scoffed at.

startail · 30/01/2012 10:39

Your DDs bug is not your mothers fault!
Pull your neck in and leave her alone.

Unless your daughter has definite food poisoning a DV bug is just something she picked up from another child in the normal course of life.
My house is not clean and tidy, never has been never will be and my DDs get rather less bugs than many of their class mates.
The mild winter has made this a particularly bad year for weird and wonderful bugs. Do not blame your Mother just because she doesn't choose to live the same way as you!

Cabrinha · 30/01/2012 10:41

My sister's house is a state - days old food spilled on floor and just left congealing, etc.
When I go over, firstly I suggest activities away from the house. When we're in the house, I do a quick run round the lounge... Dirty dishes in kitchen, wipe any spills. I don't make a point of it, I don't shift 'mess' just 'dirt'. If I say anything, it's just 'oh I chucked those plates into the kitchen, before my toddler smashes them!'. No need to mention that the food on them looks 3 days old.
Only you can decide if it's too dirty for you to visit - but that's how I deal with it in my case.

squeakytoy · 30/01/2012 10:41

Living in a sterile environment is not good for anyone, it doesnt allow the immune system to strengthen, and leaves people susceptible to picking up bugs very easily.

A bit of dirt never harmed anyone.

TroublesomeEx · 30/01/2012 10:41

OP

Firstly, your child could have got a vomiting bug from a dirty and unhygienic house if there were large numbers of a vomiting causing bacteria present. Although no one here has any way of knowing if she did or not.

This is possible because your DD wouldn't have such a well developed immune system as adults. Which is why we always hear about illnesses being more of a threat to small children, the elderly and people whose immune systems are compromised. Your mum and dad will have built up an immunity through being exposed to them long term.

Secondly, it is their business if they wish to have a dirty house, yes, but it becomes your business too when they expect you to visit and expose yourselves and your children to it.

Thirdly, I don't think it's U to want to visit a reasonably clean and tidy house. There is a grey area between biohazard and sterile!

I don't really understand why you've come in for so much stick on this!

I do think that on MN sometimes people will argue with you just for the sake of it.

WorraLiberty · 30/01/2012 10:41

OP, are you a future MIL from hell in training? Hmm

Firstly, who says your 'standards' are the right ones?

Secondly, if your Dad was really doing his fair share of the housework then large house or not, it would be clean so I don't know why you're blaming all this on your Mum.