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to expect my 68yr old mother to keep a clean house?

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 09:59

Am I being unreasonable to expect my mum who is not ill, has no health problems apart from high cholesterol, to keep the house tidy and clean?

Me and my 2 DCs, 17 months and 3.2yrs have just returned from a 4 day stay at my parents house and yesterday my DD of 17 months got a vomitting bug. Now I am feeling so guilty that I allowed her to be in a house which is unclean and unhygienic and yesterday I told my mum I won't be visiting again (they live 4hrs away) due to the mess.

She harldly ever does any housework. She claims she does. She came back from holiday about 5 days before we visited and I asked her what she was doing in that time (not in a why haven't you tidied up way, but to hear what she's been up to) and she said she'd been tidying up, but the house was just as messy and unclean.

My dad who is 74, does his fair share of housework (he always been doing more of the housework than my mum), but it is a largish house, so can't do everything himself, plus he is old, but still relatively healthy.

As a result the house is pretty filthy, not quite bad to get Kim and Aggie involved, but I am constantly stepping over the mess. The floor is not clean, the carpets havent' been hoovered properly, the washed dishes are still dirty, there are marks on the walls, on the doors etc. My mum's bedroom smells of stale, sweaty clothes. She never opens the window to let any air in, claiming that it is too cold. Her room is a total mess.

The living room where the kids spend most of their time is relatively clean, but still messier and dirtier than average I would say.

My mother I feel, is just lazy. She just doesn't want to do any cleaning. She said that she doesnt' DO hoovering. She is in denial that the house is a mess. She will sit on the sofa drinking tea whilst there is mess all around her. She will go to bed at 8.30pm, claiming she is tired (when she's hardly done anything throughout the day). She cooks a meal, fair enough, but she leaves a mess in the kitchen and me and my dad does all the clearing up. I cook in our house and DH cleans up, but I clear away the cooking ingrediants too and put all the washing in the appropriate place next to the sink.

When she's been up to help after my DCs were born, she has to be told what to do, even things like taking plates back to the kitchen. She only wanted to help with the DCs, i.e hold them. She said she wasn't there to help with the housework. When DS was born, he had trouble latching on and I needed to give him a top up, so asked my mum to boil a nipple to steralise it. DS was 6 days old. Later after the feed I discovered that she boiled it in a pan she had cooked porridge in that morning and hadn't cleaned it up properly. I went ballistic. I was hormonal and that was the last straw.

Am I being to unreasonable to expect her to be tidier and cleaner. How can I ever visit my parents again? I don't know if my DDs vomitting was due to the filth in the house, but it is very likely. I just feel so upset over everything, and my mum just denies everything.

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Meglet · 30/01/2012 11:37

Yabu. At that age she may well have the start of dementia / forgetfull-ness etc.

My grandad was covering for my gran for a few years before he died. When he went we realised Gran was barely able to cope on her own, she was in a home within a couple of weeks.

Instead of criticising maybe you should consider whether they are struggling to cope due to ill health, even if they are putting a brave face on it.

CiderwithBuda · 30/01/2012 11:40

Maybe she doesn't know how to clean? You say she had cleaners when you were growing up?

My mum lost her cleaners as we gradually grew up and moved out! Honestly - from as soon as we were old enough we did the cleaning - I have 3 sisters - we did a room each every Saturday morning and then our bedrooms. I did the weekly supermarket shop on a Thursday or Friday night with my best friends mother.

Once we all grew up less and less got done. God knows how often she changed bedding. School uniforms were washed once a term. She moaned if I put my shirt in the washing after a week. I had to figure out that people usually had clean underwear everyday and she was surprised when I started doing that myself.

I moved overseas and used to come back to stay and she would clean a bit but less and less. Then my dad would do it if he thought of it. When I had DS and would come and stay I would clean the kitchen every morning before DM was up and have to dust and vacuum our bedroom. My dad used to get really annoyed as she often told him she had done it.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 11:46

Thanks everyone. I do now realise that I am being a bit unreasonable and judgy towards my mother. I did have words with her yesterday and I probably went too far, saying I won't be returning.
In a way, sadly I feel that I don't respect my mum as much as I used to do when she is living in this filth and make no attempts to clean anything. Even if she does occassionally clean something it is ineffectual.

She has a lot of energy and enthusiasm for her hobbies, such as painting (she is a very good artist) and is editor of a local newsletter, so I'm not sure she is depressed. I guess cleaning is low down on her list of priorities, which I can understand and I am the same in a way. But there is low and there is LOW.

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 11:49

I was particularly upset yesterday as my DD was throwing up everything even water and had a high temp, so I was stressed. I was travelling back on the train with an over-tired toddler who woudnn't nap and DD in a sling in front of me, throwing up on me regularly.

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tethersend · 30/01/2012 11:50

Am I the only one who really likes the sound of your mum?

ebbandflow · 30/01/2012 12:09

I agree she does sound interesting, my mum is an artist too and cleaning is low on her list too-so can see where you are coming from. I still keep moaning to my mum about her low standards-she laughs at me. Maybe now you have had a poorly child she things may improve next time you visit choc.

CiderwithBuda · 30/01/2012 12:17

I think what used to get to me with mine was that she couldn't be bothered to clean up a bit when we were coming to stay. She couldn't be bothered to make an effort to even vacuum the carpet in the bedroom or make sure the dressing table wasn't covered in an inch of dust. It made me feel that she didn't care about me or DS. But as my sister pointed out she had history. I remember an old boyfriend being horrified how dirty the grill pan was and cleaning it.

She was prone to depression and now has dementia so I think it was partly that as well as she got older.

EauDeLaPoisson · 30/01/2012 12:24

I suffer from depression and let me tell you when im having a particularly bad bout cleaning, washing even being out of bed is a major struggle. many days I feel catatonic and just do things because they need doing but I have to push myself for sure. Yet I could happily get dressed up to the nines for a night out with friends as I know that always lifts my spirits. Its so hard to explain

ZZZenAgain · 30/01/2012 12:42

I think any mother would find it hard to take criticism about being unhygienic and dirty from her dd, even if she is grown up and a mother herself.

Just wanted to say that my mother died of cancer, quite suddenly, when she was younger than your mum. My father has cancer now and he is younger than your dad. You don't know how long you will have them, be good to them and be generous in spirit. They will be gone one day

Bunbaker · 30/01/2012 12:47

My mum was like that. I think she thought that spending time doing housework was a waste of time. By nature she was a hoarder and very untidy anyway and I think she genuinely didn't notice dirt and mess the way "normal" people do. I just learned to grit my teeth and get on with it. Fortunately when she was older and quite frail she had a cleaner so the house was much cleaner.

bigTillyMint · 30/01/2012 12:51

OMG you have the same mother as me Grin Same childhood, etc. She also has plenty of time/energy for hobbies, but not cleaning / tidying....
And we live 4+hours away!

I forced my DM to get a cleaner - she was in hopsital and I tried to clean the house a bit but the hoover was broken (she hadn't realisedShock) and when I fixed it it was like one of those adverts where the hoover makes everything white again - unfuckingbelieveable!

She is now over 80 and has a cleaner who comes for 3 hours every week - it must drive the cleaner mad as she has to clean round all her crap, but it's a step forward. She is also a hoarder......

Can you persuade them to get a cleaner?

ReallyTired · 30/01/2012 13:06

My parents do attempt to clean, but my father is a complusive hoarder. Their house has so much junk its a death trap and impossible to keep clean. I don't have any issues with parents' level of cleaninless, but thier house is just not safe for an active two year old. Unfortunately my brother who lives at home has also inherited hoarder tendencies and does no housework.

I think its a waste of time telling people how to live. If some wants to live in a tip then that is their business.

ZZZenAgain · 30/01/2012 13:13

if you hoard things or leave piles of things to-be-done at some stage, books to be read etc lying about (ah-hem), it is difficult to thing because you have to move so much stuff in order to wipe things down or hoover etc. I think that is what puts people off starting. Hotel rooms where there is practically nothing to shift would be very straight-forward to quickly dust down and hoover, wouldn't they?

ReallyTired · 30/01/2012 13:21

Complusive hoarding is not the same as being lazy. It is a form of OCD.

Queenmarigold · 30/01/2012 13:29

My M is the same. Shes 'too busy' to cook properly or clean properly. Shoes in the house and SO much clutter everywhere. Does my 'ed in.
She does lots of retired-type things, coffee mornings, aerobics, linedancing blah blah, she's so busy doing all that pointless crap she' doesn't hoover or cook. So food is oven food - nothing wrong with that but 7 days a week is not good. I don't know what to do about it although I surrepticously(sp?!) dust whenever I'm there. I'm probably not helping though as she probably thinks her house doesn't get dusty!

Agapanthii · 30/01/2012 13:46

YANBU. I could have posted this. It's just horrible, when your kids are crawling and playing on the floor and there's dirty linens and weeks of dog hair and pins and needles on the floor. My parents house has always been like this and I hated it even as a child. I never wanted my friends to come around because I didn't know how to handle it when other kids would ask, "Why is your house such a big mess?" As a result, my kids' friends are always welcome for tea, playdates, sleepovers, whatever.

I used to stay often but everytime I picked up a cloth or switched the hoover on she'd have a big sulk claiming she'd "already cleaned" (just plain untrue) and she'd argue that I was there for a visit, not to do housework. But I would have to scrub the bath before putting my babies in it, and have to clean all the kitchen surfaces and throw out rotten food in order to feed my kids. I found staying there very stressful indeed and now I don't. I stay locally with other family members, with old schoolfriends or even in a hotel. They are very welcome to come to me anytime they want to and they do, but I don't stay in their house anymore and I won't let my kids stay there without me either because it's just filthy.

I haven't said directly I won't stay because it's a mess, just that we always fall out when all under the same roof (true) so it's best if I stay locally and visit them lots when I'm in the area. So that's what we do now. It makes me very sad but unless you've experienced it, it's v hard for others to understand how horrible it is to put your kids in that situation.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 13:46

ZZZenAgain - Yes you are right. I feel very guilty about the way I spoke to my mum at the weekend. I accused her of being lazy and accused her of having a filthy house. I must make amends with her.

What gets to me most if that she completely denies everything when pointed out. It's like talking to a toddler! Like when she boiled the bottle nipple in the pan which had porridge bits in it, and I showed her the porridge bits, she STILL denied there was porridge in it!!
Also made me laugh out loud when she declared that she doesn't DO hoovering, like it's beneath her or something. It's alright for my dad, me and my DH to do it though Hmm

Yes I have been thinking about a cleaner. When they are older and before the house decends into even more mess, I will offer to pay for a cleaner for them once a week. hopefully the chilren will be at school and we are no longer crippled with childcare costs, we could afford to do so.

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alittlesurprise · 30/01/2012 13:47

We've got a relative who has an abnormally messy house. It has been like that for years and years and just gets worse (a bit like 'A Life of Grime' where there are bags upon bags filling up a room). I'm not sure they can see it to be honest.

We avoid the place now and just invite them around here, so no I can't blame anyone for not wanting to stay in a dirty house.

ZZZenAgain · 30/01/2012 13:48

don't feel guilty, I didn't mean you too. Just what came into my mind because of my own siuation when I read it. It is hard for you, I can see that.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 13:55

Agapanthii - all sounds very familiar to me. I always discouraged friends from visiting my house, and was embaressed when they did come around. I would tidy up as best as I could, praying they didn't venture into the kitchen. Even as a teenager I knew this level of mess couldn't be normal.
My mum is a hoarder too. She never throws out anything. She keeps every single plastic container she ever buys, like magarine tubs, ice cream tubs and when you open cupboard doors, they all fall out. And you can never ever find a box and a lid that goes together anyway. She keeps food in these tubs for ages in the fridge. I always have to double check on the ingrediants and dishes she serves my DCs. I don't think she's ever cleaned her fridge out.

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bigTillyMint · 30/01/2012 14:06

Zzzzen, that is why I try to keep clutter to a minimum here - less dusting / moving stuff to hoover, etc. Not very successful, but I try as I hate cleaning and want it to be as quick and easy as pos!

choceyes - the plastic containers (even the ones you get mushrooms in), jam jars, etc - whole cupboards full. And out-of-date by months if not years food. She IS my mum!

LieInsAreRarerThanTigers · 30/01/2012 14:25

My MIL's house has been unsanitary for years! We have never become ill from staying there, although I do get a bit nervous when she has anything to do with meat...it's just a bit gross seeing the children's black socks/feet after walking on the kitchen floor, and I always used to wash up before the meal as well as after! It's very funny that she thinks I am fussy about 'germs' which I am not at all. She is incredibly fussy about things being TIDY though, whereas I am quite untidy by nature.

Poor dear is definitely descending into dementia now and we have stopped staying there as she just can't cope with us.

My advice would be just to clean the bits that bother you the most and try not to let it worry you too much. Have a quick once-over and scan everything when you arrive - my MIL frequently had pins/needles in the carpet if she had been sewing, and would never put vases etc out of reach when mine were toddlers, so I always had a quick check.

Flimflammery · 30/01/2012 14:32

choceyes, you have my sympathy, my parents were very similar.

Agapanthii, I could have written your post. Except my mum died a year ago, and then my dad just got worse and worse in terms of looking after himself and the house. He would cook the same dinner every night - fried egg - and not clean the pan, just reuse it again the next night. The fridge was full of out-of-date and mouldy food, but he thought anyone who gently pointed it out was 'obsessed by germs'. His eyesight was bad so he couldn't see the dirt. I lost my temper with him once when he put the dirty cat's food bowl on the kitchen worktop next to the bread and veg that I was going to feed my DCs with (and would never have thought of wiping it afterwards). He thought I was making a fuss about nothing. I was always embarrassed by both of them wearing stained clothes out, but they were oblivious. He obviously couldn't cope alone but refused help (or rather, would agree to it, then change his mind, or claim he never had agreed).

As well as the house being dirty, it was falling apart, literally. A window pane fell out of a sash window, and my DF insisted he would fix it instead of getting someone in (I offered to phone someone). Months later I went back (in winter), and it was just covered with a bit of plastic. They were not poor, but were averse to spending any money on anything. I used to think they were just stingy, but now looking back I think it was a kind of mental illness, a bit like hoarding (which they did a bit of) - being terrified of spending money on anything. They hadn't replaced any kitchen cupboards or worktops, or anything in the bathroom, since about 1978 when we moved into the house, it was like a 1970s timewarp. No central heating, no fitted kitchen, no proper shower. The lino on the kitchen floor had been there for more than 30 years.

My DF is in a nursing home now, and at least is well-fed and in a clean environment. Still wears dirty clothes, though, even though he only has to give them to the staff to have them laundered!

PigHog · 31/01/2012 18:34

Have you thought about perhaps HELPING your mother?

Its not like she raised you is it...

TroublesomeEx · 01/02/2012 10:23

PigHog Not sure I agree with the OP helping to keep her mother's house clean (unless the mum is incapable through ill health). The OP has her own house and her own family to care for!

I am bringing my DCs up to be independent and to have the best lives they can. I'd be mortified if they thought I was so inept that they had to sacrifice some of their own lives to come and clean my house!!

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