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to expect my 68yr old mother to keep a clean house?

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 09:59

Am I being unreasonable to expect my mum who is not ill, has no health problems apart from high cholesterol, to keep the house tidy and clean?

Me and my 2 DCs, 17 months and 3.2yrs have just returned from a 4 day stay at my parents house and yesterday my DD of 17 months got a vomitting bug. Now I am feeling so guilty that I allowed her to be in a house which is unclean and unhygienic and yesterday I told my mum I won't be visiting again (they live 4hrs away) due to the mess.

She harldly ever does any housework. She claims she does. She came back from holiday about 5 days before we visited and I asked her what she was doing in that time (not in a why haven't you tidied up way, but to hear what she's been up to) and she said she'd been tidying up, but the house was just as messy and unclean.

My dad who is 74, does his fair share of housework (he always been doing more of the housework than my mum), but it is a largish house, so can't do everything himself, plus he is old, but still relatively healthy.

As a result the house is pretty filthy, not quite bad to get Kim and Aggie involved, but I am constantly stepping over the mess. The floor is not clean, the carpets havent' been hoovered properly, the washed dishes are still dirty, there are marks on the walls, on the doors etc. My mum's bedroom smells of stale, sweaty clothes. She never opens the window to let any air in, claiming that it is too cold. Her room is a total mess.

The living room where the kids spend most of their time is relatively clean, but still messier and dirtier than average I would say.

My mother I feel, is just lazy. She just doesn't want to do any cleaning. She said that she doesnt' DO hoovering. She is in denial that the house is a mess. She will sit on the sofa drinking tea whilst there is mess all around her. She will go to bed at 8.30pm, claiming she is tired (when she's hardly done anything throughout the day). She cooks a meal, fair enough, but she leaves a mess in the kitchen and me and my dad does all the clearing up. I cook in our house and DH cleans up, but I clear away the cooking ingrediants too and put all the washing in the appropriate place next to the sink.

When she's been up to help after my DCs were born, she has to be told what to do, even things like taking plates back to the kitchen. She only wanted to help with the DCs, i.e hold them. She said she wasn't there to help with the housework. When DS was born, he had trouble latching on and I needed to give him a top up, so asked my mum to boil a nipple to steralise it. DS was 6 days old. Later after the feed I discovered that she boiled it in a pan she had cooked porridge in that morning and hadn't cleaned it up properly. I went ballistic. I was hormonal and that was the last straw.

Am I being to unreasonable to expect her to be tidier and cleaner. How can I ever visit my parents again? I don't know if my DDs vomitting was due to the filth in the house, but it is very likely. I just feel so upset over everything, and my mum just denies everything.

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:42

How did you manage to grow into a healthy adult in such a germ ridden house OP?

Mainly through living with my DH and also seeing other people's houses and they way people live.

My dad does do some cleaning, like I said. But he is always making excuses for my mum not doing anything.

Once when she visited us, she hung some worn clothes of hers on the radiator in DS's bedroom (she was sleeping in it). A couple of months later when she came back, she asked us why her clothes weren't hung on the radiator like she left them?!
We had washed them and put them away ofcourse! She was really expecting to find dirty clothes still hanging in my DS's bedroom!

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megapixels · 30/01/2012 10:44

Well it's quite likely that she's neither ill nor depressed, just lazy. And it's her right to be I suppose. I don't think your child got the bug because of the state of the house, unless it's Kim and Aggie territory.

My parents' house is like what you describe too. My mother has been uninterested in housework all her life, and my father plays the helpless male who doesn't do housework, so the house is in a right state. I chose to live differently as soon as I was out of there but I accept their right to live as they want to.

Punkatheart · 30/01/2012 10:46

The particular point that she goes to bed early really does point toward depression. You should spend some time talking to her or if you can't, then talk to your dad.

Any possibility of hiring a cleaner once a week? Or why not give them a present of a house clean? Once your mum sees it like that, it might give her a boost?

But fundamentally, it is her home. My mum is a little the same - she has a few health issues and is not great at doing things very well. When I visit, I chat while I clean up. But I do it cheerfully and she enjoys the help...

PomBearAtTheGatesOfDoom · 30/01/2012 10:47

YABU and have a damn cheek. If your mother doesn't keep her house to your standards then don't go there by all means, but you have no right to complain, pass comment, or gossip behind her back about her housekeeping habits. How would you like it if she passed public comment on something you did or didn't do? It is none of your business what your mother does or doesn't do. The day you left home and became an adult Hmm you both lost the right to comment on each other's doings.

WorraLiberty · 30/01/2012 10:49

How did you manage to grow into a healthy adult in such a germ ridden house OP?

Mainly through living with my DH and also seeing other people's houses and they way people live

Squeaky asked how did you manage to grow into a healthy adult.

buttonmoon78 · 30/01/2012 10:52

Think you missed the point choceyes - the point being how are you still here if you grew up in such a dirty house, not that you've now discovered how other people live!

Or that's how I read it anyway.

buttonmoon78 · 30/01/2012 10:52

X post!

OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 30/01/2012 10:52

SO there is is a lot more to this than first appears. TBH choc you have set yourself up with the wording of your title and OP.

Sounds like you had a rough time growing up in a dirty house and you are feeling doubly (sp) let down by my mum because she isnt making an effort for your children.

The stuff that hurts us as a child often resurfaces when we have our own kids.

Its almost like we can cope with our parents no bothering about us because we are a bit crap so dont deserve much consideration. But when it comes to our children we allow ourselves to get angry.

Sorry if that comes across as a load of old pyschobable. I just think this is more than your mum being lazy.

pranma · 30/01/2012 10:53

I am nearly 68 and my dh is 75. Our house is not immaculate I have a cleaner for 2 hours a week and a dishwasher for the pots. I look after my dgs a couple of days a week and if my DD ever criticised my housekeeping
(which she doesn't) I'd tell her to get stuck in and do the work herself.

Xmasbaby11 · 30/01/2012 10:53

It does sound filthy there, having read more posts. I'm not sure I would be happy to stay there with my DC.

There is no reason why your father can't do more/all of the cleaning. My DH does pretty much all of ours, because I do the cooking and other things. Even if I didn't do anything at all, there's no way he would allow the house to descend into filth. The same should apply to your DF. Please stop blaming your mother. It's coming across as really sexist, which I'm sure can't be your intention.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:54

I grew up to be a healthy adult because:

  1. Despite my mums housekeeping, she provided me with very healthy foods.
  2. My dad was into sports and always toom me excersing and encouraged me to have an active lifestyle.
  3. We had cleaners and housekeepers when I was very young, so wasn't living in filth till I was older.
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DonkeyTeapot · 30/01/2012 10:56

Choceyes I didn't learn any house-keeping skills from my mother either. I left home at 17 and lived in a number of shared houses with cleaning rotas, I learned it all then! I am by no means a clean-freak, our home is definitely lived-in, but at least there isn't mouldy food on the floor.

To those who would suggest doing the cleaning for her: I have. A lot of times. It embarrasses her and makes her feel ashamed. So these days I just wash the pots and do a quick tidy round, rather than scrub the bathroom top to bottom, as I would have before.

And suggesting buying a dog is, frankly, ridiculous. That would just mean there would be an overly-energetic, un-walked dog to add to the mess and smell. We have two dogs, they don't make things any cleaner, I can promise you that.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 10:57

No ofcourse I don't intend to be sexist at all. It's just that my dad does clean up and even when he is staying at ours he helps out even when we tell him not to. Buy my mum never lifts a finger to help. I don't expect help from them at all, but it's just that my mum has a long history of doing nothing.

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 11:06

My dad gets a bit upset if I try to comment on the dirt or do any thorough cleaning. My DH used to deep clean the house when we have stayed together before, even cleaning out the fridge, but now he doesn't do that apart from the normal tidying up, because it upsets them and they take it as a critisism.

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WorraLiberty · 30/01/2012 11:08

Well if your Dad makes excuses for her and is happy to do minimal housework himself, it sounds as though they're both happy in their own home/marriage.

buttonmoon78 · 30/01/2012 11:13

The dog thing was a joke in response to another joke further up.

DonkeyTeapot · 30/01/2012 11:16

I guessed the dog thing was a joke, but the very though strikes fear into my heart - apologies for over-reaction :)

ebbandflow · 30/01/2012 11:22

Just wondering if you know what your grandmother (mum's mum) was like cleaning wise, was your mum brought up in a clean or dirty home?
It does sound like cleaning has never been important to your mum, but it sounds like she has brought you up great anyway in other ways and at least your children can be sure that they will live in a clean tidy home. Probably best to accept that is the way your mum is-maybe stay somewhere else when you visit.

Sidge · 30/01/2012 11:26

She might be depressed.

She might be bone idle.

She might have much lower standards than you do regarding hygiene.

I can understand why you wouldn't want to stay there, it sounds grim to me. Mess and clutter I can cope with in other people's house but not filth or squalor.

You can't expect your parents to keep their home in a state that you approve of, but they can't be surprised if you don't want to stay there if you find it unsafe or too unhygienic.

choceyes · 30/01/2012 11:26

My mums' mum also is not that hot on housework. Her place used to be messy and dirty too. But she was better than my mum from what I remember.
When my mum was growing up (in another country) they always had domestic help, so I guess she is just not used to having to clean.

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MeltedChocolate · 30/01/2012 11:27

When you live in it, you really don't see it, or you look away from it. She may have a combination of depression and laziness. Her attitude when she comes to yours is odd but remember that that is her reality and until/if she relearns how to handle her own home, she wont understand that her attitude is not normal.

Unfortunately it doesn't sound like there is much you can do if they wont accept help. She is you mum though, and leaving pills around for her GC to find is not on. You have to tell her that. She has to be mortified into change by the sounds of it. I would go round again, keep a really close eye on your kids and say in a very upset tone next time something like that happens that there needs to be change and you are worried about her! Then offer the help and follow through if it is accepted. Make sure she knows you will jump to help her whenever she decides she needs it.

buttonmoon78 · 30/01/2012 11:27

I wouldn't let that be used as a cop out. My dh grew up in another country and they had domestic help yet he still cooks, cleans, bathes his own dcs etc.

RainboweBrite · 30/01/2012 11:32

YABU. Your mother is an adult and it's entirely up to her how she chooses to live in her own home. I chose not to stay in my parents' house again 7 years ago, as my standards of tidyness and cleanliness are very different from theirs, but I wouldn't presume to tell them how I think they should keep their home.

MeltedChocolate · 30/01/2012 11:33

I also was one who was never taught any housework or tidying. now my parents wonder why they have kids who are bone idle!! And we are all having to relearn life lessons!

SardineQueen · 30/01/2012 11:35

PIL house is a tip. I go around flinching and recoiling from smells.

I wouldn't stop the kids going there though, and I wouldn't not go there myself. They brought up 3 children perfectly well and while unpleasant I don't think it's going to make anyone ill.