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to expect my 68yr old mother to keep a clean house?

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choceyes · 30/01/2012 09:59

Am I being unreasonable to expect my mum who is not ill, has no health problems apart from high cholesterol, to keep the house tidy and clean?

Me and my 2 DCs, 17 months and 3.2yrs have just returned from a 4 day stay at my parents house and yesterday my DD of 17 months got a vomitting bug. Now I am feeling so guilty that I allowed her to be in a house which is unclean and unhygienic and yesterday I told my mum I won't be visiting again (they live 4hrs away) due to the mess.

She harldly ever does any housework. She claims she does. She came back from holiday about 5 days before we visited and I asked her what she was doing in that time (not in a why haven't you tidied up way, but to hear what she's been up to) and she said she'd been tidying up, but the house was just as messy and unclean.

My dad who is 74, does his fair share of housework (he always been doing more of the housework than my mum), but it is a largish house, so can't do everything himself, plus he is old, but still relatively healthy.

As a result the house is pretty filthy, not quite bad to get Kim and Aggie involved, but I am constantly stepping over the mess. The floor is not clean, the carpets havent' been hoovered properly, the washed dishes are still dirty, there are marks on the walls, on the doors etc. My mum's bedroom smells of stale, sweaty clothes. She never opens the window to let any air in, claiming that it is too cold. Her room is a total mess.

The living room where the kids spend most of their time is relatively clean, but still messier and dirtier than average I would say.

My mother I feel, is just lazy. She just doesn't want to do any cleaning. She said that she doesnt' DO hoovering. She is in denial that the house is a mess. She will sit on the sofa drinking tea whilst there is mess all around her. She will go to bed at 8.30pm, claiming she is tired (when she's hardly done anything throughout the day). She cooks a meal, fair enough, but she leaves a mess in the kitchen and me and my dad does all the clearing up. I cook in our house and DH cleans up, but I clear away the cooking ingrediants too and put all the washing in the appropriate place next to the sink.

When she's been up to help after my DCs were born, she has to be told what to do, even things like taking plates back to the kitchen. She only wanted to help with the DCs, i.e hold them. She said she wasn't there to help with the housework. When DS was born, he had trouble latching on and I needed to give him a top up, so asked my mum to boil a nipple to steralise it. DS was 6 days old. Later after the feed I discovered that she boiled it in a pan she had cooked porridge in that morning and hadn't cleaned it up properly. I went ballistic. I was hormonal and that was the last straw.

Am I being to unreasonable to expect her to be tidier and cleaner. How can I ever visit my parents again? I don't know if my DDs vomitting was due to the filth in the house, but it is very likely. I just feel so upset over everything, and my mum just denies everything.

OP posts:
FrizzyFrazzled · 01/02/2012 10:51

I keep my house reasonably clean and tidy, but it certainly isn't high up and I would never not see anyone because of some grime.
My DH and I went for dinner at my parents a while ago and my mum said "Ooh, I was just looking at the state of the house and thinking I would have to tidy but then I remembered it was you coming and not your sister, and you are even more slapdash than me!" :o Didn't bother me even slightly, either that I have been dubbed slapdash, or that she didn't tidy up for my arrival. Why should she? I'm there to see her not the house, so are the grandkids.

ProjectGainsborough · 01/02/2012 11:13

At first glance, all this sounds U, but I grew up in a pretty shambolic house and feeling embarassed about bringing people back bothers me to this day.

My mum is uber interesting (hobbies, projects, etc) and I'm trying to make the best of her as she is, but it is hard once you've gone outside the home sphere and realised how much 'normal' standards differ to what you're used to.

My mum and stepdad also lie like toddlers (as someone else said on here). When DS was ill SD gave me a thermometer saying proudly he'd just put a fresh cap on it, despite the fact that it still bore a large chunk of yellow ear wax Grin

Slightly less amusing is agreeing not to smoke around the kids and then sneaking off for a fag upstairs while my 2 year old is sleeping. I haven't said anything because it's their house, but if they do it around my newborn I will seriously lose my shit.

At least I am an adult now and they are mobile enough to come and see me...

MidsomerM · 01/02/2012 11:31

YANBU. My Mum is the same.

And all of you people who keep telling OP to help clean the house - you have no idea!

Firstly, the squalor in my Mum's house is beyond a bit of cleaning. She's a hoarder, and there are mountains of crap everywhere making it impossible to get to the cupboard that contains the vacuum cleaner. There are no clean cloths. She hasn't bought a cloth for decades, just boils the old ones, which are black and stink.

But the main problem, which many of you don't seem to appreciate, is that many people like this are happy with the state they're in, don't view it as a problem, and would strongly object if anyone tried to change it. I've tried to throw away rotting food from my Mum's fridge, and she gets cross and takes it out of the bin again. If I offer to vacuum she gets angry and says she's already done it, and appears mortally wounded by my implication that her house needs tidying. Last time we visited I said I'd take the bin of compostable waste out to the compost area in the back garden. The bin was overflowing - literally - there were banana skins trailing on the floor and unidentified brown liquid dripping down the side. She wouldn't let me take the bin out, acted all hurt and huffy.

She's not depressed, she's not demented, she just doesn't care about squalor and takes offence if anyone else admits that they do care! She implies that I am being petty to want to live in a clean place, and that i should have different priorities.

Each to their own - if people want to live in squalor it's their right - but it's perfectly reasonable for other people to choose not to visit.

Also, my Mum has more than her fair share of stomach upsets, which I'm sure comes from her cavalier attidude to food hygeine.

Haziedoll · 01/02/2012 12:38

I agree that some people can't be helped. My mum had a friend and over the years her house got worse until eventually she was living in squalor. She didn't have any mental health issues and by her own admission was lazy and not houseproud. Friends and neighbours rallied round and bought new curtains and crockery etc but she didn't have the motivation to keep it nice.

She also had personal hygiene issues and never bathed or showered. I invited her to my wedding, she was my mum's friend so I wasn't not going to invite her because of her lack of hygiene, although I seated her next to members of my family who knew her.

Well what a transformation, I didn't recognise her she was a different person! Apparently she didn't want to look out of place amongst my "posh London friends"(her words) and had a bath, discovered that she had ground in dirt on her feet so booked herself in for a pedicure then got carried away and had her hair done and bought a new suit from BHS! I was touched that she had made an effort as I didn't expect her to. According to my mum she milked it for all it was worth and years later if anyone had a quiet word with her about her hygiene she would tell them that she once got suited and booted for a wedding Grin

Inertia · 01/02/2012 14:13

As Midsomer alludes to above, your DD won't have picked up a virus because your mother's house is dirty, but it's possible that she could have food poisoning, especially if she ate different food from everyone else (assuming nobody else has been vomiting?). If someone isn't bothered about household cleanliness, there's a fair chance that they're not sticking to food hygiene best practice either.

Leaving pills etc on the floor for children to get is not soemthing I'd be happy with either. Not sure what you can do about the rest apart from not visiting- only meet at yours maybe?

Ghoulwithadragontattoo · 01/02/2012 15:50

I think YANBU - I wouldn't take my kids to a filthy house either (which could certainly have made you DD ill - think of the microbes that Kim and Aggie find). I would simply refuse to go and visit them again. Perhaps invite them to yours a bit more often or go to a nice B&B half way between if you can stretch to that.

tinypandatwo · 01/02/2012 17:17

Choceyes, how fantastic to know it isn't just me who thinks like this. For me its my inlaws.

I am a bit OCD about tidy, but am definitely not a domestic goddess. I hoover the middle of the room and occasionly dust under the objects! BUT, my home is absolutely not dirty.

The inlaws however are a completely different story. They also claim too tired/old/ill/busy etc etc. But in the next breath admit their house is dirty and they are 'dirty people' (their words not mine). It is really unpleasant, the bathroom and kitchen especially. They recently asked social services to provide a cleaner - but they refused and now the inlaws are upset because they think they "deserve" one. My DH says they have always been like it, it is no worse now (both late 70s) then when they were 30.

With my experience I'm not sure I'd agree with the other posts about her being ill. You are definitely not being unreasonable. My DSC are older now and make their own decisions, they chose for themselves not to stay over - its too dirty for them and they are teenagers!

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