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Keeping savings secret from DH

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nervousaboutcash · 29/01/2012 22:09

We lost loads in the property crash - about 60k (all our savings and DH's inheritance from his dad), after a bad investment. We came really close to going bankrupt which would've cost DH his career. We now rent (the investment was supposed to set us up with a deposit etc).

There's five of us. Our rent is over half of DH's take-home. DS1 is moving to secondary school next year but we have to hold on until then. We live in a fairly expensive area (DH can only work in London).

I'm a sahm - we have preschool twins and can't afford childcare. Before DCs I worked for a supermarket so hardly raking it in.

DH earns a 'good' salary but it's all gone as soon as we turn round. We're not on the breadline - we have about 5k each in ISAs and about 2k in a savings account.

DH isn't exactly bad with money but he has some bad habits. He'd always rather get lunch from one of the places near work than take a packed lunch (I have put my foot down on that but he feels aggrieved because he's missing out on socialising time etc). He will pop in to the corner shop and buy stuff we don't strictly need. More importantly, getting him to take action on things (like changing to an 0% credit card or paying off his overdraft with what savings we have - we could do this), is very difficult. He doesn't like my 'nagging'. I end up sort of making him do it or making the transfers myself, which makes me frustrated and him feel dictated to.

He does a regular sport, socialises after work occasionally and is going on a ski trip with friends from work (I wasn't thrilled about that but he deserves a break), so it's not like his life is just work and stressing about money.

Anyway just to paint the picture.

I have 20k savings which DH doesn't know about. It's an inheritance from my grandma. He knew about it when I got it (10 years ago), and it didn't really get mentioned. When we were facing bankruptcy we were advised to keep our finances seperate (the money wouldn't've saved the situation). It's in my maiden name. Last year I put it in a 5 year savings account.

I wasn't thinking very clearly but my thoughts were along the lines of: I want to retrain, and the course I want to do will cost us money, and the money from gran could pay for that as the twins will be starting primary school around the time the savings account vests.

Talking about this year's tax bill and the overdraft old chestnut and DH's reluctance to empty out the 2k savings account (it's earning 3% which is less than inflation and way less than the interest on the overdraft), he said he didn't like the idea of not having any 'ready money' for emergencies. I said well, we have the ISAs and he sort of made a snorting sound.

I so nearly said 'well I have 20k in savings from my gran' - but he'd be furious I've been keeping it secret and as it's locked away for another 4 years it would be an issue for at least that long. And then he'd want input into what we did with it afterwards and while I know he SHOULD - I sort of want to hold onto it, not have it frittered away.

I strongly suspect he'd backslide on our money-saving attempts if he knew about it, I guess. I don't know for sure though.

I don't know what to do. I was all panicky when I locked it away (and angry with Dh about the bad investment), and now it feels like whatever I do is going to cause more friction.

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Bogeyface · 30/01/2012 22:24

Fabby, what part of "He knows about the money" have you missed?

He knew she got it and hasnt mentioned it since, if he was that bothered then he would surely have said something by now? And regardless of whether he did or didnt know, it is locked away for another 4 years anyway so it would be a rather pointless conversation, no?

smithereenies · 30/01/2012 22:29

FabbyChic - now that would be like self-embezzellment - blowing your cash on his pret a manger habit and being left with nothing.
No no no, keep it. I think what you said in your original message about him being angry if he found out sounds like you are a tiny bit scared of him - also that he wouldn't be keen on you spending it to retrain....others seem to think that you are being totally dishonest to keep your financial details from him, but maybe if you sense he wouldn't want you to retrain you might have some doubts about the future - and if so - running away money might be needed!
If you think he won't be too angry, fess up and tell him why you have it....

Bogeyface · 30/01/2012 22:36

I wouldnt keep money secret from Dh btw, but then it isnt an issue for us.

But it is the fact that the OP is worried about what will happen if she tells him that makes me think she NEEDS to keep it secret. He sounds like exactly the kind of man who's wife should have her "running away fund". If he wasnt so bad with money and by the sound of it, angry and controlling then she wouldnt need to have her stash would she?

ArtVandelay · 30/01/2012 22:41

I don't think you've done anything wrong. You told him about the money and he has chosen to forget about its existence. I think it would be wrong of you to say "er what 20 grand?" if he asks about it suddenly but don't feel you have to do anything about it.

He sounds a bit childish - wanting shop bought lunches and sweeties all the time. I don't agree that these are things he needs. Don't allow him to whine or bully you into releasing savings for fripperies.

DamnBamboo · 30/01/2012 22:48

Yet you would have been happy to have benefitted from 'his' investment money had your house gone upin price?

YABVVVVVVVVU

You must know this!

DamnBamboo · 30/01/2012 22:50

I agree with fabby

(I often do)

TotemPole · 30/01/2012 22:53

Assuming someone gets bank holidays plus 20 days paid holidays. That's about 230 working days in a year. If you spend £5 a day, that's £1150 a year on lunches. That's an unnecessary spend, and silly for someone who has debts to pay off.

foglike · 30/01/2012 22:56

Having dinner is a crime now?

signet2012 · 30/01/2012 22:58

20k is a fair bit! I feel naughty for having a sly 300 quid stashed for emergancies cos other half is bloody useless with cash.

TotemPole · 30/01/2012 22:59

Shopping at the corner shop should be outlawed country wide.

Bogeyface · 30/01/2012 22:59

No, but spending £5 a day on a lunch out when you are a gnats fart from bankruptcy that wouldnt only lose you your home but also your career is fucking stupid and selfish.

A packed lunch does not make one a saddo. Throwing away home, career and financial security for the rest of your life because you dont want to miss a lunchtime chat does. The OP said that her savings wouldnt have made the slightest difference to the bankruptcy issue, so she would have been a fool to throw them away like that.

foglike · 30/01/2012 22:59

No it isn't it's getting his dinner.

He is paying for everything you know?

Carpediem2007 · 30/01/2012 23:01

YANBU

People seem very passionate about all this, which I find rather strange but I guess that we all have different approaches to money. What I am more uncomfortable about is how people can have strong views about OP and her DH or other people with the limited information there is here.

My DH has some shares and investments and I know of them but have no clue about the actual value. I have an ISA and have mentioned it some time ago but DH does not know how much is in it. It does not really matter to us what the other has in saving (not much).

We use our joint account and our separate accounts with some flexibility as DH currently earns more than me and we contribute to household expenses according to what each of us can do and pay each some more for extras like holidays or large expenses (house expenses or furniture etc).

slowburner · 30/01/2012 23:03

My mother also told me to always ensure I had a sum of money to rely on, I pay equally into a join account, but I also ensure a sum is transferred into a separate saving account for emergencies. It doesn't have anywhere near 20k in it but I try ti keep a months salary in there.

When my father died suddenly my mums 'emergency' account kept us fed and clothed while things were sorted out.

AYBU - no, I think you are doing what hundreds of people do. If it was a SAHD posting to say that his wife was a bit rubbish with money and he had this inheritence which he wanted to us eto retrain I am pretty sure i would give the same answer.

TotemPole · 30/01/2012 23:16

No it isn't it's getting his dinner.

Packed lunches are so much cheaper. £5 is for a sandwich and a drink in starbucks/pret a manger. I imagine a typical bloke would want more than that each day anyway.

I said upthread that the compromise would be mon-thur packed and go to the pub/cafe on a Friday(when most people would be doing the same).

Small, regular spending can make a massive difference to a family's over all finances.

dublindee · 31/01/2012 04:01

Up until December I was a WOHM doing a 26 hour week and hubby worked full time. As we are expecting our third DS at the end of march I took VR in work when the opportunity arose. I had not been happy for a while and knew the payout I would get could give us a "cushion" while I concentrated on our new arrival and also pay off a sizeable amount of our debt. I now have NO debts in my name and paid a whack off hubby's too as he took on family based debt in his name solely as he had better credit rating than me (im not a native uk'er and his income was significantly more than mine).
I am now a SAHM and all our financial decisions are jointly made. Marriage is about TRUST. OP you say you "suspect" he may stop the money-saving efforts. You say you invested this money only last year and purposely didn't tell hubby as you "don't want to share". You have excluded your husband from aajor decision based on supposition and a hunch. If he did that to you how would you feel?

I am horrified at the double standards shown on here - as a SAHM who prev WOH until recently - I do not see how it is ok to keep such a huge amount of money aside in secret.... And it is in secret. (Hubby would have been HUGELY stressed around the time of the near bankruptcy and if it wasn't mentioned after the fact when they started to regain some bearings it's ENTIRELY plausible it's gone under his radar.) The fact OP is a SAHM should not be used as an excuse to squirrel this money away from her hubby. There is no PROOF he will fritter it. Unnecessary purchases at the corner shop and reluctance to take a packed lunch don't make him a lush! I mean how many times have we gone to the supermarket for a few items and come out with a full trolley??????

IMO op you are being very unfair to your husband. It sounds like you blame HIM for the loss of the previous investment (understandable but not fair on him as he wasn't solely responsible for the property crash!). If you cannot trust him I would question if it's wise you stay together....

sommewhereelse · 31/01/2012 05:43

I don't think anyone has mentioned pensions on this thread.

My parents divorced. My mum didn't advise me to have a 'running away fund' but she did say that if I ever took a drop in earnings/dropped a rung in the career ladder to bring up DCs or further DH career (like she had done) to be sure that we were setting something aside to compensate for the fact that my pension would be affected should we no longer be married by the time we reached retirement age.

tomverlaine · 31/01/2012 08:54

He doesn't know about the money!!! He was told about it some time ago but he obviously doesn't remember- if he did there wouldn't be an issue.
Whether OP should have money in her own name is not really the issue- its the lack of honesty. if she tells him what could he do- force her to use it? if he can force her to do something against her will then thats a much bigger issue.

dublindee · 31/01/2012 09:07

I think the fact that OP has posted this thread on here speaks volumes. If I made a decision that I was 100% comfortable and happy with I wouldn't seek approval or justification from anyone. The fact she even has to ask shows that she knows deep down that this is wrong.

lesley33 · 31/01/2012 09:11

I'm shocked at those who think it is fine to lie (a lie by ommission) about having savings of 20k. And tbh if this was my partner it would make me seriously question the relationship when I found out.

I think the longer you hide this, the more upset he will be that you haven't told him. You obviously share all money as family money and this should be the same.

cory · 31/01/2012 09:26

I think it is possible to be both honest and sharing about money and to secretly put money away for the benefit of the family, to be produced when things go tits up/when there is something you really want to do. My mother was forever saving on the house-keeping money and squirreling it away in a jar, to be produced with great triumph at the right moment: taDA! My father certainly never took offence at finding that he could go on holiday to Greece or buy the family a dingy after all. But then he was a naturally frugal person who had never had any complaints about the house-keeping anyway.

I wouldn't be offended either if I found dh had been putting some money aside for a rainy day- because I trust him absolutely and am happy with our current level of spending.

But it takes a trusting relationship where each partner is convinced that the other partner would never try to take advantage. And of course it presupposes that the non-squirrelling partner is not made to feel stressed about thinking they have less money than they do.

whostolemyname · 31/01/2012 09:26

I think this is very wrong, sorry OP. If my husband did this to me I would feel we had lost a lot of trust. He wouldn't be the person I thought he was. I also feel you saying you want all the money for yourself is very selfish. It may be that as a family you decide a good use of the money is to see you through your training to make life better for you all, but to have the attitude that its all about you is terrible. I think you need to discuss this now before its too late.

lesley33 · 31/01/2012 09:28

cory - squirrilling some small pot of money away for the family is different to having 20k that the other partner has forgotten or doesn't know about.

dublindee · 31/01/2012 09:28

Putting money in a jar from leftover housekeeping is a million miles away from £20,000 cory

dublindee · 31/01/2012 09:30

Lesley you're a mind reader!!! :o