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Keeping savings secret from DH

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nervousaboutcash · 29/01/2012 22:09

We lost loads in the property crash - about 60k (all our savings and DH's inheritance from his dad), after a bad investment. We came really close to going bankrupt which would've cost DH his career. We now rent (the investment was supposed to set us up with a deposit etc).

There's five of us. Our rent is over half of DH's take-home. DS1 is moving to secondary school next year but we have to hold on until then. We live in a fairly expensive area (DH can only work in London).

I'm a sahm - we have preschool twins and can't afford childcare. Before DCs I worked for a supermarket so hardly raking it in.

DH earns a 'good' salary but it's all gone as soon as we turn round. We're not on the breadline - we have about 5k each in ISAs and about 2k in a savings account.

DH isn't exactly bad with money but he has some bad habits. He'd always rather get lunch from one of the places near work than take a packed lunch (I have put my foot down on that but he feels aggrieved because he's missing out on socialising time etc). He will pop in to the corner shop and buy stuff we don't strictly need. More importantly, getting him to take action on things (like changing to an 0% credit card or paying off his overdraft with what savings we have - we could do this), is very difficult. He doesn't like my 'nagging'. I end up sort of making him do it or making the transfers myself, which makes me frustrated and him feel dictated to.

He does a regular sport, socialises after work occasionally and is going on a ski trip with friends from work (I wasn't thrilled about that but he deserves a break), so it's not like his life is just work and stressing about money.

Anyway just to paint the picture.

I have 20k savings which DH doesn't know about. It's an inheritance from my grandma. He knew about it when I got it (10 years ago), and it didn't really get mentioned. When we were facing bankruptcy we were advised to keep our finances seperate (the money wouldn't've saved the situation). It's in my maiden name. Last year I put it in a 5 year savings account.

I wasn't thinking very clearly but my thoughts were along the lines of: I want to retrain, and the course I want to do will cost us money, and the money from gran could pay for that as the twins will be starting primary school around the time the savings account vests.

Talking about this year's tax bill and the overdraft old chestnut and DH's reluctance to empty out the 2k savings account (it's earning 3% which is less than inflation and way less than the interest on the overdraft), he said he didn't like the idea of not having any 'ready money' for emergencies. I said well, we have the ISAs and he sort of made a snorting sound.

I so nearly said 'well I have 20k in savings from my gran' - but he'd be furious I've been keeping it secret and as it's locked away for another 4 years it would be an issue for at least that long. And then he'd want input into what we did with it afterwards and while I know he SHOULD - I sort of want to hold onto it, not have it frittered away.

I strongly suspect he'd backslide on our money-saving attempts if he knew about it, I guess. I don't know for sure though.

I don't know what to do. I was all panicky when I locked it away (and angry with Dh about the bad investment), and now it feels like whatever I do is going to cause more friction.

OP posts:
wannaBe · 30/01/2012 09:39

There was a thread on here over the weekend about a man who took a day off work without telling his partner and he was branded (by some, not all might I add) as a deceitful lier and the question was raised over what else he was hiding. Over one day off work. Shock and yet people are saying it's ok to stash away a secret twenty grand? seriously? Hmm

If a woman posted that her dh had a secret stash of cash that she didn't know about people would be questioning what else he was hiding, and more to the point, would be saying that that was partly her and her children's money and he had no right to keep it from her.

And if you are in debt then it is IMO even more selfish to allow your dh to do all the earning to pay off your debts while you sit back laughing over your secret stash of money which could presumably get you out of a hole financially.

foglike · 30/01/2012 09:42

What's this jointly acquired thing?
When you're married you shouldn't be harvesting funds with a view to shoot out the back door if the going gets tough.
No matter how you get the money in a marriage if you do it properly it's shared.

porcamiseria · 30/01/2012 09:47

I think you have to tell him about it, but make it clear that IT IS NOT TO BE TOUCHED

be honest, I get the impression you are keeping quiet not becuase you want to run to costa rica wth a 21 year old, but becuase you want it for security right?

can you explain this, and say that IT IS NOT TO BE TOUCHED

sausagesandmarmelade · 30/01/2012 09:50

It's not jointly acquired

Ridiculous Destroyed

Her husbands wages are not 'jointly acquired' either...and yet they are shared.

sausagesandmarmelade · 30/01/2012 09:52

No....OP makes it quite clear that she wants the money to retrain.

What I'm saying is that that should be a joint decision...

destroyedluggage · 30/01/2012 09:52

As with the "took a day off" thread, there are two issues here.

  1. I have no problem with people using their own money and their own days off as they see fit. Not even when they are in a marriage. Whether they are the husband or the wife.
  1. The deception and lying is another matter. I never said I'd keep the 20K secret. I wouldn't. I would fully expect to be able to spend it on my retraining, though, if I was the OP, without guilt trips or a hissy fit. The fact that she feels the need to hide it indicates a deeper issue (as in the case of the secret day off.) The issue here is that she thinks she won't be able to use the money as she sees fit.

When you're married you shouldn't be harvesting funds with a view to shoot out the back door if the going gets tough.

I agree. But I also think you shouldn't automatically consider that your partner's stuff is yours. My view on inheritance is that it belongs 100% to the person who inherits it, full stop. If they want to share it, why not, but I wouldn't lay a claim on something my husband's parents or grandparents created and wanted him to have, unless it was his wish to share it with me.

destroyedluggage · 30/01/2012 09:54

+Her husbands wages are not 'jointly acquired' either...and yet they are shared.+

Their children are shared too. Why does she not have her own wages? It wouldn't be because she's raising the jointly acquired children, would it? Is it her choice not to work? Why doesn't the husband offer to forgo his wages and stay at home with the kids himself?

foglike · 30/01/2012 09:57

If you're poor the rules change and joint money comes from everywhere.

This thread is full of ex Peyton Place residents who have secret bankl accounts and jewels in boxes made of gold. :)

As sausage says his wages are earned by him and shared.

foglike · 30/01/2012 09:58

She doesn't need to destroyed.

She's already amassed £20,000 .

PocPoc · 30/01/2012 09:58

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foglike · 30/01/2012 10:00

If any man is reading this thread?

Y'all know what to do.

Garnish your own wages and get yourself a nice little nest egg just in case.

destroyedluggage · 30/01/2012 10:03

As sausage says his wages are earned by him and shared.

She's enabling him to earn that wage by staying at home and raising their children. Without her, if he was a single parent, he would have to either fork out for childcare or give up his job, or at least reduce his ours, so he'd earn less/have less money left to spend. His wages are therefore not exclusively his.
She contributes to earning them too.

He contributed nothing to the 20K she inherited from her grandma.

God, never in a million years would I agree to be a stay-at-home mum if I was married to the lot of you.

destroyedluggage · 30/01/2012 10:04

hours, sorry

sausagesandmarmelade · 30/01/2012 10:05

I so nearly said 'well I have 20k in savings from my gran' - but he'd be furious I've been keeping it secret

OPs own words............

He has a right to know....if he stashed away 20k without telling her all hell would be let loose.

Plenty of people in OPs shoes contribute towards the family income themselves...especially when times are hard...rather than letting/expecting their DHs to provide all the household income. Every bit helps...and with these uncertain economic times it makes sense to try and provide a contribution.

foglike · 30/01/2012 10:06

Fortunately the majority of married people don't hide that amount of money.

^

northerngirl41 · 30/01/2012 10:10

The thing is, he did know about it when the OP got it - what does he think happened to the money? It sounds an awful lot like the OP gets landed with sorting out all the finances and that she's done the most sensible thing by putting this money aside and keeping it separate. He's simply not been interested enough in what happened to the money to find out where it went.

I think that makes it different to "keeping it secret" - and yes, if a husband had been keeping this amount of money secret from his wife, I think we'd be getting a very different reaction...

sausagesandmarmelade · 30/01/2012 10:10

Weird....

Had no problem whatsoever sharing an inheritance I had with my DH (yes that's supposed to be dear husband right...dear as in loved, appreciated, trusted and respected right?)

Also benefited recently from a smaller sum....and again, no probs putting the money into a joint pot.

DH has also come into large sums...and has automatically shared his windfalls. We expect to inherit in the future...and again...NO PROBLEM sharing....we are a team, a couple a married couple and wouldn't dream of harbouring our own pots of money.

And that is considered weird by you destroyed?

destroyedluggage · 30/01/2012 10:10

Plenty of people in OPs shoes contribute towards the family income themselves

So raising their children is not "contributing"? The money she saves them in childcare is not contributing? The hours he can work because there's somebody watching the kids is not contributing?

You bet I'd have a secret stash if my husband thought like that!

destroyedluggage · 30/01/2012 10:13

Nope, not weird at all, sausage. That's not what I said.

If you decide to share an inheritance, fine by me. I'd probably share it too. What I said was: I wouldn't automatically consider my husband's inheritance mine, and I wouldn't dream of dictating what he spends it on. Nor would I expect him to dictate what I spend it on, if it was mine.

Can you grasp the difference?

NinkyNonker · 30/01/2012 10:16

Well, she expected a say in his inheritance amd would have lived in the house it bought (would you have kicked in your inheritance too op?) and presumably wanted half if they divorced...so presumably the OP felt differently to inheritances being private.

destroyedluggage · 30/01/2012 10:30

You have a point there, Ninky. Although it could also be argued that he'd benefit from his wife's training and, consequently, higher earning too. It's him who seems to prefer to spend the money on a holiday instead of considering the long-term benefit of the family as a whole. Yet it's her who gets painted as a selfish, greedy wife, because she doesn't want to waste the only money to her name on her husband's whim.

Nesbo · 30/01/2012 10:30

I think DW and I would autmomatically expect to share money from inheritances, I'm sure we made promises to that effect when we got married.

I don't see any difference between money from wages, money from bonuses, lottery wins, inheritances or any other windfall, it all amounts to money coming in and ultimately belongs to us both.

We dont monitor what the other spends on day to day stuff, but we do know how much we each have in our own accounts (as well as the joint accounts) as it all gets taken into account when we make major financial decisions together. How could we make those decision properly if one of us was hiding something from the other? As said by sausagesandm above, when you are married you are a team and for us being one financial "unit" is absolutely part of that, it is how we map out our future and make long term plans together.

sausagesandmarmelade · 30/01/2012 10:36

Oh nesbo...a woman after my own heart!

You share my way of thinking exactly!

foglike....you also summed things up very well!

Nesbo · 30/01/2012 10:36

I think DW and I would autmomatically expect to share money from inheritances, I'm sure we made promises to that effect when we got married.

I don't see any difference between money from wages, money from bonuses, lottery wins, inheritances or any other windfall, it all amounts to money coming in and ultimately belongs to us both.

We dont monitor what the other spends on day to day stuff, but we do know how much we each have in our own accounts (as well as the joint accounts) as it all gets taken into account when we make major financial decisions together. How could we make those decision properly if one of us was hiding something from the other? As said by sausagesandm above, when you are married you are a team and for us being one financial "unit" is absolutely part of that, it is how we map out our future and make long term plans together.

Kayano · 30/01/2012 10:36

Well as far as I can see

DH and DW share wages coming I. Which is as it should be.

However.. DH invested his inheritance and shared it with his wife and family straight away

Dw squirrelled her inheritance away for herself and her own decision...

I don't know why you can't mention that. You want to empty your joint savings but keep your 20k? I don't get it and I couldn't live like that

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