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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

People who are late for school every day or almost every day.

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MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 25/01/2012 10:05

Why don't you just get up 15 mins earlier?

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Rolf · 25/01/2012 14:08

I am late every day. My DD has SEN and for a while the triggers for her morning meltdowns were unpredictable which made it very difficult to plan around them. So that made us late and it made the mornings incredibly stressful.

We now have an agreement with the school for her to come in late and be met at the office, and it works very well indeed. However, if we fail to be just late enough, and the main gates are still open, DD wants to go in with the other children which often leads to problems. The time the gates are locked can vary a little bit from day to day, so I need to err on the side of being even later than I would really like to be. I also have to worry about my other child being late and missing out on start of day things, and about what to do when my younger child starts school in September.

Some children have medical or behavioural problems, some parents have health or family problems. You really have no idea what is causing other families' lateness.

I loathe being conspicuous in this way, and cringe when I remember that when my older children were starting out at school I may have had the same attitude as you.

I'm not planning on adding to my list of worries the opinion of an unimaginative stranger. You clearly like TS Eliot - he writes about the paths we didn't take. I never thought I would be on the SEN path. Why not thank your lucky stars that your path doesn't involve these little humiliations?

differentnameforthis · 25/01/2012 14:09

It's (almost) the same with lunch. I also volunteer at the school canteen occasionally (occasionally being at least once a a week).

Over here (Australia) we don't have hot meals served in the way they do in the UK (from my school memory, dd was never at school in the UK) where they have a dining hall & have hot food served. We operate differently. We offer hot food, but in the way of hot dogs/jacket potatoes, chicken (pure breast:) ) rolls, sandwiches, wraps. Once a week pies, sausage rolls. They are all pre ordered in the am & collected by the 2 children in the class & eaten at their desks.

EVERY week the same children come to the canteen with am emergency lunch order. Given by their teacher, because they have no lunch. We supply a sandwich, drink & a piece of fruit & send the slip to admin to send a note to the parent. Without fail, week after week the same children come up with an emergency order. One family hasn't paid for a full term. There is literally nothing we can do. The school canteen would rather lose money than say no more.

It is catch 22. And before anyone says anything, we know there are no special circumstances involved. Mum knows we will feed her child, so she doesn't feel the need to pay or send her dc in with lunch everyday. She doesn't pay school fees either, but we are able to get the debt collector in for that. The lunch fees, we usually end up writing off at the beginning of each new term.

Bakelitebelle · 25/01/2012 14:22

I used to be habitually late, not just for school but for my entire life and I think I have shades of ADD. My mother was obsessively organised and arrived far too early for everything.

Our mornings are more stressful than the average as we have DS1 with severe special needs to get changed and fed and on the school bus. However, most of the problems were with me and DH and organisational issues.

I am really being helped by the thread on organisation in AIBU. Sometimes some of us need a bit of help to get out of the quagmire. We are not bad people, we just struggle with these things more than others.

Haven't been late for school so far this term [bsmile]

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 25/01/2012 14:24

Rolf - and anyone else experiencing understandable difficulties getting to school on time. This isn't about you. The families I'm talking about have no such difficulties, they are perpetually late for no good reason/half-baked different reasons every day. And actually I know a lot about SEN.

Please can people stop making this out to be an attack on parents of children with special needs. It's not.

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BleatingRose · 25/01/2012 14:39

we're not late because I set all the clocks/alarms 40 minutes fast...

May I ask that if a 6yo has a meltdown/non-co-operative/refusal every day (or near as damn it), does it mean there is an underlying SN issue? Or just boody mindedness? Sad

She a@tually likes school, but hates the preparation...

I will not have her late though (was humiliated as a child due to parents' timekeeping) and her sibling has no problems this way.

worriedsilly · 25/01/2012 14:39

we've been late twice last term. We have had a huge change in circumstance and I haven't adapted as well as I would normally, due to some health shit going on and general failure to keep plates spinning. Also this term I have been off night shift late, and I had the car.....there was really no way around this one! No buses, no taxi as I had the car seats. Couldn't leave my patient. What can you do?

But if we are running late we rush like mad, I arrive with unbrushed hair and no make up and looking like I just got out of bed (which I did) and anything I have forgotten gets dropped off at school asap. Younger siblings are in pj's and the school child is fed watered but looks somewhat unkempt.

I know the 3 families that are late most days in our class. One is late but her parents drop her off together, in their car (left parked in the bus stop Angry) and they are always showered, makeup, hair perfect and really lovely outfits. They are super fashion people and their kids are also perfect hair etc. They, I would say, need to re prioritize.
Or maybe they have an sn issue that scuppers their super organised approach - or domestic issues. who can say? A controlling husband or some other unpredictable scenario.
What is interesting is that they are never ever late for the after school stuff, the activities that we pay for and that you just don't get let in to if you are late. So perhaps that is telling. But perhaps not. We never know what goes on behind closed doors.

I have made us knowingly JUST on time by refusing to park int he wrong place. It does bug me that others feel that they are late, so therefore can abandon car anywhere they like.

Another family is essentially chaotic and has issues with another child. The child is older and may/may not have sn issues, but at any rate the family get little/broken sleep and things often unravel for the. That child is late every single day except a few. Often has totally inappropriate clothes on (anorak in snow and ankle socks) or a lunch bag that is empty. I feel desperately sorry for her and all of them.

We have close links with a school in a very very very deprived area. It was one of the first to offer a free breakfast club. Reason - the staff noticed no matter how early they got there there was always a child or two waiting at the gate for 8.30 gate open time. So they got there mega early to see how children were arriving - 6.30 to 7am. This is primary and the children just had to wait by the gates
It is because many of the mums had temporary seasonal work and had to start at 7am and simply had nowhere to put their children. So now the school opens and is warm and offers a free breakfast and a tv. They fund a ta to essentially babysit them. The school has about 25% leaving/joining each term, imagine.

We truly have no idea what goes on.

awomenscorned · 25/01/2012 14:49

Posie Grin You have a hair twirl too

nicknamenotinuse · 25/01/2012 14:51

I agree with the poster who said it is piss poor parenting. It is. The parents are leading a bad example and teaching their children that it is ok to be late. It is not, it is rude and inconsiderate to others.

yellowraincoat · 25/01/2012 14:55

I teach in adult education, and for the longest time, we had these students who were late every day. It's a three hour class and if they are more than 5 minutes late, they had to sit and wait for the break before I let them in.

3 or 4 students would STILL be late every day and blame the tube. Yeah, I take the tube every day as well. How come I'm there on time?

Really infuriating, especially when they tried to argue with you.

MaureenMLove · 25/01/2012 16:00

I can't stand latestness without good reason.

I covered a lesson for a teacher yesterday, who was running late (again). One of the yr11 kids said, 'she is always late Miss, it's doesn't set a very good impression does it?' So true.

We introduced a 'late desk' at our school in September. At that time, there were over 50 students being late every single day. The sanction is, 30 hour detention on the day of late - no excuses allowed.

This morning, I happened to be at the late desk, as my colleague was leaving. I asked her how the new programme was going and she told me that these days, they bearly have 10 lates.

So, it is possible to drag your sorry arse out of bed and be on time somewhere if there is a sanction looming...

MaureenMLove · 25/01/2012 16:01

30 mins not hours! Now, that would be harsh! Grin

cory · 25/01/2012 17:35

MrsJAlfredPrufrock Wed 25-Jan-12 12:42:56
"Imagine if the teacher arrived late for school every day? Teachers have to get there, on time, no matter how many children, dodgy bus routes, horrendous traffic etc."

As an adult you can decide not to take a certain job if you struggle with your family in the morning: I have turned down jobs for that reason and dh is able to make use of flexi-time. If you are a child with SN of your own or a sibling with SN, you don't get flexi-time or the chance to negotiate a part-time education.

thankfully ds is now old enough to take himself to school

even in the bad old days we were seldom late, though doing the school run on time did occasionally involve a degree of physical force which I can't say I'm happy with in retrospect

cornsilxsxy · 25/01/2012 17:39

Quite right cory.
On a good day it will take me approx 2/3 hours to get ds prepared and into school so that he is there on time. On a bad day I am late for work....

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 25/01/2012 17:56

cory - How many times do I have to say, this thread isn't really about people with understandable difficulties getting to school. It's for those who can't be arsed to get to school on time.

cornsilxsy - well it takes most people two hours including getting into school.

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cornsilxsxy · 25/01/2012 18:01

that's 2(more like 3 really) hours constantly with ds ...difficult to explain unless you have lived it. I can't nip off and do my hair/get dressed/eat breakfast/make a call for instance as he'd get back into bed and that would be it. dh sorts out ds2 and gets him to school. But that's on a good day. Some days it will be longer.

cornsilxsxy · 25/01/2012 18:01

BTW that doesn't include getting to school

thepeoplesprincess · 25/01/2012 18:03

We're persistently late, and actually it generally isn't my fault. My oldest is the sort who will not and cannot ever ever ever just fucking get on with it without a screaming fit from one or the both of us.

I once even dragged her to school in her PJs, and not only did it not deter her in future, the Head also threatened me with the SS if I ever did it again.

Stop being so smug. You just got lucky when the storks were handing out spawns of satanirited children.

everlong · 25/01/2012 18:05

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cornsilxsxy · 25/01/2012 18:06

what's ridiculous about her attitude?

Feminine · 25/01/2012 18:07

How old is your DD princess?

everlong · 25/01/2012 18:09

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thepeoplesprincess · 25/01/2012 18:15

She's nearly 7.

If you can't organise your dc and get them out of the house on time who can?????? Noone. I'd put money on it. In fact, should they ever ;bring the Krypton Factor back, then they'd deffo go for a 'Getting P ready for school on time' round.

Plus, even if we get out of the door on time, we still have a mile to go so there's still ample opportunity for any number of tantrums, distractions or dawdlings.

Feminine · 25/01/2012 18:17

princess, my dd (3) is a bit like yours.

I once read an article about a Mother who used to put her children to bed in their school clothes!

I scoffed at the time Wink

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HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 25/01/2012 18:19

Not getting a dig at princess but I do think it's a bit of a cop-out when people claim that lateness isn't their fault. I'm very surprised that at 7 your daughter is having tantrums and not even being co-operative on a basic level. Is she SN, Princess?