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Am I a spiteful cow or would this piss you off too?

227 replies

Flamemenow · 24/01/2012 20:39

I know this seems unkind but I really need a rant about my friend.

My friend was in a 'friends with benefits' relationship with a single man and as a result she had an unplanned pregnancy. He did not want her to have the child and said if she did he would not want to have anything to do with it. She wanted to have the baby so they agreed that he would not have to see the child or support it financially.

When the child was born, my friend claimed the benefits she was entitled to as a single mother. She put on the forms that she did not know who the father was.

Two years later she had another child with the same man, under the same circumstances. They have never lived together or even dated. She now lives off benefits whilst she raises two children. She has had part time jobs over the years to supplement her income but usually gives them up after a few months.

When I think about this it really pisses me off that I am paying to feed and clothe this man's children. I don't see why I should just because they 'came to a private agreeement over finances'.

He still lives in the same town and although they don't see each other anymore, she hears all about what he's up to and he seems to have plenty of spare cash - (lovely house, expensive car, holiday 3 times a year, etc.)

Sometimes I get the urge to anonymously grass on her but that would be a really nasty thing to do. Or would it?

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KatieScarlett2833 · 24/01/2012 21:20

Are all the catsbummouthers feeling the same way about
sperm donors?

troisgarcons · 24/01/2012 21:20

I think it's a bit sad that she got pregnant twice with a bloke that doesn't seem to give a shit.

But some women think it's their god-given right to have a baby, regardless. One can be put down to 'accidental', twice is carelessness, and three times is a habit forming occupation. And I apply that 'god-given right' comment to those who chose to be single and trot off to IVF clinics also.

wifey6 · 24/01/2012 21:20

In my opinion...she sounds as though she will say/do anything to keep this arrangement going with this 'friend'...even bringing up the children without his input if that be financially or otherwise.
My sister gets private maintenance from her exH & is claiming single parent benefits because that is what she is. It's my understanding as other posters have said..if payments are made from csa or not..she is still entitled provided she is a single parent. I wouldn't 'grass' her up...as to be honest there isn't any need..she is entitled.

SecretMinceRinser · 24/01/2012 21:22

Also will the children think they are half-siblings by 2 unknown men? Or know that there is a single man in the picture who wants nothing to do with them - just their mum?

Hassled · 24/01/2012 21:29

Katie - re sperm donors - it's a damn good point and no, I don't feel the same. That feels more abstract - but really, yes, you could say the friend here has used Wanker Man in the same way a woman validly uses a sperm donor. And no one would bat an eyelid about benefit-claiming then.

WibblyBibble · 24/01/2012 21:37

He sounds like an utter cunt. She sounds like someone who has been fucked over by a horrible man. She would still be entitled to the exact same benefits if she was getting maintenance from him as that is money for the children and benefits are to support herself in her childcaring work and to provide a home and basic subsistence for them (and believe me, that is all you can do on benefits)- maintenance is extra, to provide a better lifestyle for the children but not her. He's a wanker for not wanting to do that for his children, and I agree that there should be something that can be done about men like that, but she isn't doing anything at all wrong.

Flamemenow · 24/01/2012 21:37

She doesn't see him anymore, hasn't done for years. The children are early teens. I think if he didn't want children, he should have made damn sure he didn't have any. And once he had produced them, he should be made to provide for them.

I thought (wrongly as it turns out) that if she gave his name, he would be made to contribute which would mean she would be able to claim less from the public purse. That makes sense to me but, obviously, is not the case.

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GypsyMoth · 24/01/2012 21:44

Maintenance is irrelevant here ..... 'you' aren't paying his share op. Your friend is selling herself short and should be getting 20% of his salary ON TOP of her benefits!

GypsyMoth · 24/01/2012 21:45

And teens are more expensive than small children. I know what I'd be doing!

Flamemenow · 24/01/2012 21:58

But I am paying for her to have children which she produced without any idea of how she would provide for them. Do most people think that is an ok thing to do then?

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SecretMinceRinser · 24/01/2012 22:08

I thought if you're kids are over a certain age you had to work now lone parent or not (no idea if that's true or where I got it from).

SpikeInTheBasement · 24/01/2012 22:10

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Flamemenow · 24/01/2012 22:13

But I am paying and so are you if you pay tax. And yes I think it is bloody generous when it could be going to people who really need it.

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yellowraincoat · 24/01/2012 22:14

I'm paying for two kids to be brought up?

I DEMAND A REFUND.

Flamemenow · 24/01/2012 22:15

She does work but after a few months gets signed off with depression.

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AmberLeaf · 24/01/2012 22:17

Ha ha! how much do you think you're paying for alllllll of the children of single parents?

You must pay shit loads of tax if you think your contribution pays for them as well as everything else.

Oh well, hopefully she'll get a job soon and you'll get a tax rebate eh.

Heswall · 24/01/2012 22:18

The trouble is this is what causes all single mothers to be tarred with the same brush. If this person is 1 in 500 it'll be her people remember

ImperialBlether · 24/01/2012 22:19

I just could not have a baby and say I didn't know who the father was. I'd die of mortification before I did that.

SecretMinceRinser · 24/01/2012 22:20

So she's ill then? Or are you of the 'doctors give sick notes for depression out like sweets' persuasion?

In answer to your title op - you are a spiteful cow.

TroublesomeEx · 24/01/2012 22:21

Really makes you wonder what the world (or at least this country) has come to.

There are people here who are more accepting of this woman's (and yes, the man's too) behaviour, than they are able to understand the OP being a bit Shock about it!

No, what she is doing might not be illegal but it is wrong.

Kinda makes you think the government should look into welfare reform...

AmberLeaf · 24/01/2012 22:21

She probably didnt even have to say that though Imperial.

AmberLeaf · 24/01/2012 22:22

Being judgy isnt illegal, but it is wrong

GypsyMoth · 24/01/2012 22:25

But she does work! Or has depression......what could 'welfare reform' change? She works!

awomenscorned · 24/01/2012 22:27

yabu. nice friend you are. Hmm Life happens, the sperm doner is a shit.
Are you a bit green because she must have a fantastic life on benefits and all that raising two dcs alone. Hmm

TroublesomeEx · 24/01/2012 22:28

I was being a bit tongue in cheek, you know, with all the welfare reform stuff going on at the moment!

I do think this behaviour is wrong and she certainly wouldn't have got pregnant twice by a man she wasn't in a relationship with and who isn't supporting her 'properly' if we didn't have a welfare system that enabled her to.

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