To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

[Hullygully]

I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

I am glad INeedA

Boffy I too trained in care (nursing for a while but hated it). The big institutions, as you will know,, were disbanded in part becuase they becmae money pits.

Care for a child like my ds3 in an institution costs between 1.5 and 2.5k per week including care plan (I can find reference if essential used in my MA Autism essays, almost completed qual now). Carer's Allowance is £55 PW and is not a passport to any other benefit.

Of course SN children should not be put into institutions. But I actually think for some adults caring well staffed institutions are a better alternative to care in the community - when people have chosen this. My gran was in and out of institutions because of mental health problems. Then they abolished them. She managed at home with lots of help from family, but was not happy and often said for years that she wanted to die. Until she went into an old person's home when she quite suddenly became much happier. The truth is she couldn't really cope with living independently.

Hullygully

Dull because i have a different opinion to you? But I presume not too dull to be called a cunt and shot!!

I'm sure there is every possibility that you cared for your patients, Boffy, but you didn't love them and my god, there's a world of difference.

I used to be very much of the thinking that people should have the right to say what they like.

The amount of crap I've read recently about how benefit scroungers should be turfed out into ghettoes, the mentally ill should be left to rot and so on, it makes me also want to shoot people.

How can people be so utterly without compassion? I want to take all their money, priveleges, put them on a low self-esteem course so that they don't feel they deserve to do well and then make them work their way up from nothing.

BASTARDS.

Lesley
There is a world of difference between care homes or sheltered housing and the kind of institutions that Boffy is talking about.

Boffy is specifically talking about institutions for SN children and bemoaning the expense of providing medical equipment in their own homes.

Staggering.

Yes I know. My gran was in institutions and enjoyed being in them. But I think my point was that for people with ongoing chronic mental health problems like my gran who always struggle with independent living, there really isn't the level of support needed.

If anyone had tried to put my terminally ill nephew into an institution rather than pay for he needed to be cared for at home I would have actually shot them, that's if SIL didn't beat me to it.

I can't stand this idea of "Oh, my parents had to go without food, indoor toilet, etc. and never complained.", so we should just get on with it. Well, my parents were very poor, too. But they never wish it on anybody else. They would never want us to go back to the "good old days". They worked very hard, and scrimped and saved to provide a better life for their family.

Why do some people hate progress?! Do we really want to go back to Victorian times?!

[sorry for shouting]

I'm in Norway. given the shootings this summer i should probably object to the notion of rounding up and killing people of one political opinion. I still think this comes nowhere near being an actual threat!
Had it been the other way around.. most destruction in the west is caused by right wing loons.

My nan also was in and out of institutions and died in one. Horrible place.

Care in the Community was just an excuse to close hospitals which specialised in helping the mentally ill and state led OAP homes - it was appalling but to think that things were better in the 60's/70's (uh, the 70's was a particularly terrible time for the poor in the UK) is just unbelievable and the naivety of saying that these institutions are great work providers?

Yeah, that's what we need - loads of unqualified and unwilling workers caring for the MOST vulnerable in our society.

Honestly, some of the things being said are so unbelievably dense and just do not stand up to any sort of inspection - it's embarrassing.

Michael Caine (British actor), always wondered where his Mother disappeared to every single Tuesday afternoon. After his Mother's death he found he had a Brother he didn't know existed.

His Brother was put into an institution at an early age because he suffered from Epilepsy. Over the years his condition worsened because he was kept in a room with a concrete floor of which his Brother banged his head against. Micheal said his Brother was locked away because of the 'shame' of having a child with a disability/illness.

His Brother sadly died before Michael could help him financially. He understood it was a different time but felt angry with his Mother. His Mother felt that having her Epileptic Son at home would hinder Michaels development, this was confirmed by the Doctor.

This is how i recall the story, feel free to correct/add to it.

Just thought I'd share :)

Good god - this thread! mother and baby homes Boffy - what's the criteria for those - being a single mum? Seriously? And institutions for the disabled? I honestly thought people with views like that had died out...... :(

And coffee - here is a grip. You may keep it.......

"most destruction in the west is caused by right wing loons."

most destruction in the west is caused by the insatiable thirst for consumption coupled with the chinese ability to deliver the goods at lower-than-low prices.

most of the wealth in bric (and subsequent growth of the middle classes) was the direct result of opening their economies and getting rid of the socialist ideology - a right wing strategy

incidentally, as many said upthread, it is impossible to define "right wing" more precisely than "opponents of the left wing", which means one lumps free-market libertarians, nazis and christian conservatives all into one group, which is, ahem, not very telling, don't you agree?

Lesley I get that- Grandad is 91 and refuses to go into supported housing meaning my Mum has to provide his care (doesn't drive or live in same town so hard) and he would be so very much happier and better cared for if he would accept Social's offer but instead chooses to be housebound and live in a pit - it's horrid to watch.

Hmm.
Cost to taxpayer to place each of my three children in an institution = £3000 per week - EACH.
Cost to taxpayer for me to undertake this care = £55 per week, same for my husband.

Hmmmm faaaaar to expensive to keep people with disabilities at home isn't it?

Bemy

My definition of a right wing Loon = people who can't see their policies will create ghetos and end up costing more and who support either institutionalisation, forced management of family size or like my sister and BIL, compulsory euthanasia for anyone with a disability if not already rich.

Left wing = people I like

Natch

Bemybebe sorry for the obtuse choice of word, was only talking about the suggestion of shooting people. And i think it is ok to be flippant but would be more wary if someone with extremely right wing views said the same thing, and in this context might lump them together..

Boffy

Get. To. Fuck.

Peachy
May be a bit tricky to say you like left wing people not right wing.
So you like Kim Jong-il, Nicolae Ceauşescu, or perhaps Pol Pot! Not many liked them but glad you do!

"My definition of a right wing Loon = people who can't see their policies will create ghetos and end up costing more and who support either institutionalisation, forced management of family size or like my sister and BIL, compulsory euthanasia for anyone with a disability if not already rich.

Left wing = people I like"
peachy - a bit unconventional then

Ilove

you don't really do humour do you?

Did you actually take that seriously? I mean, was the right wing definition not extreme enough let alone the brevity of the left wing bit?

I don't see what is wrong with arguing that the Government should not run a budget deficit that amounts to around £160 billion (that is what it was at the last election). Why is arguing that by pursuing these fiscal policies leads to ever larger interest payments on Government debt and that the endless accumulation of public debt leads to economic disaster as the debt becomes harder and harder to service. The Government spends too much money and finances this through borrowing and has been doing so for far too long as is evidenced by a look at public borrowing statistics over the last 7-8 years. The existence of a structural budget deficit just means that the debt will have to be paid off in the future, potentially by people who have not even been born yet, is this really an ethical thing to do?
Its not a matter of being heartless, its just looking at the economic data and acknowledging that things could not carry on the way they were, our method of financing public policy and service provision was flawed and unaffordable in the long term and something needed to be done to address this or the country will find itself in a dire situation. Fiscal consolidation is always going to be a painful process, examples from other countries around the world demonstrate this but you cannot carry on running a structural deficit and borrowing vast amounts of money indefinately.

Yeah, so we'll get the six bill off Vodafone then, eh?

Oh no, wait, let's get it off the poor and disenfranchised, they aren't our mates and won't put up nearly as much of a fight.