To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

[Hullygully]

I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

Will go back and read but working proor won;t be the ones to benefit. Working people will be amde more vulnerable as well.

If you lose your job now your best bet is stay put, keep childcare going and work like Hell to secure new work, yes? After all much childcare hads a waiting list longer than application - start time in a job.

If people's HB is too low people will be amde to move on and away from work-support provision very quickly indeed.

We are working poor; we have invested a lot of effort in maintaining maxmium stability for the boys, which includes not being made homeless. If we were to lose this palce (low cost rented but not the very lowest cost- about average for entire city cheap for our suburb IYKWIM) and had to spend time in hoomeless accom it would be a B&B; DH could not work there so would ahve to foreclose business. Clever!

Whereas if we ahd a council house..........

Good luck love, we're armed to the fucking eyeballs.

People keep saying how someone earning that much with kids would get loads of benefits anyway. But in my area if you earn between you as a couple £35k with 2 kids you would get just under £600 working tax credit and the child benefit. They wouldn't be entitled to housing benefit in this level of income. So that isn't much more than the cap on benefits that is being proposed.

Absolutely true about housing! If we had secure housing I would be far less scared- but due to an anomally of where we live I would have to hand back one of my boy's school aplces and I fought for eyars to get them into decent SN specialist schools! This place here is the only place that stands in both catchments and we are in the cheapest house I know of here. Social thinks we should have an extra bedroom for the boys (becuase ds1 and ds3 need tehir own) but we ended up converting another room, easier.

And YY to Labour being too wishy washy! My pitipful £1.71 membership fee still goes out but am seriously looking at Plaid, most of my family long term LD (right back to SDP days... Dad even stood and I was asked); none of them ever would again, although was pleased to see Lord German speaking in Commons yesterday as when we could not get a statement for then non verbal, incontinent ds3 Lord German (OK, at the time plain old Mike) went and sat on the LEA's desks until it was sorted (he was our AM). He and his wife came here and I trusted them, was most sad that I found I could not trust Nick Clegg.

Local Labour AM is OK though, MP waste of space. And Tory councillors shoving leaflets at me alst week almost got water pistolled LMAO!. But it's Wales, nobody would notice, they'd just think 'oh more rain'

Lesley absolutely

But you wouldn;t get £26k with 2 kids anyway (excepting anomallies of very costly housing, which the HB changes due in April dealt with anyhow).

The cap willm mostly affect those with several children. Who WOULD get more in Tax credits. Now, there's a variety of valid opinions about having huge families on benefits and whilst I am not a proponent of enforced birth control it's not a choice I would ever have amde. Equally though I suspect that most alrger families, like mine, were all conceived and born into working families on a decent income who had no way of knowing that things would implode on them. Remember children by TC credits rules can be up to age 19 if in FT non advanced education: the world can change a lot in that time!

Hully YANBU

IsALittleBitPO'dHerselfTiggaxx

Hully I'm not a right-winger but will you please ...

JUST SHOOT ME!!!

For a self proclaimed liberal, that is a hell of a judgement you are making about people in social housing, Hully. There are plenty of working people in social housing, not just ' mothers with 17 kids on white lightning' or whatever nonsense it was...
Do you have any friends in social housing? If so, you would know that the above does not describe the majority of tenants. There is that element, sure, but plenty of hard working people too.

See what I meant about patronising?

mrs ruffallo

Please release the wrong end of the stick from your hot confused little hand

Hully I love you.

As you were...

arf @ "oh more rain"

Quoted you directly, not the wrong end of the stick. Decent working people struggle and pay private rent. Scumbags get social housing, but that's fine too, cause they are all on benefits.

Peachy- in Holland they have a policy of not increasing child benefit after the 3rd child if parents are continuously on benefits.

If you could except disability from that MrsR I might be OK with that- but I'd want the money used to support the kids in otehr ways- breakfast clubs, extra TAs in the classes etc.

Actually one of the best things they could do for all low income families would be to review free school meals; ATM one penny per annum in WTC makes you ineligible, even if your income is below that of someone on benefits (very feasible, eg with self employed and new start or making a loss).

Where's the sense in that? I'd gladly hannd back my CB for FSMs for the boys- woudln;t cost us any different but might make someone else's life easier as a widespread policy, plus having familes on low icomes flagged up as FSMs enhances the Lib Dems 'poor kid' educational funding.

What people were saying earlier about low income working families benefitting as well- assuming said family lives in a cheapish area, do they really want extra competition for the very cheapest houses from large numbers of displaced families? Extra waits at hospitals, harder to get school palces? That will be reality. Services in better off areas will have capacity to serve tories better off people, whereas low income people will face much more competition for everything from nursery palces to a roof.

NW finally! After ten years posting someone gets my SOH! yay!

SWC ahve done usual self doubt as to whether your post to em was meant to be nice or not! If it was nice as I initially thought above repoly applies LMAO; if not . Have ahd very good reason for being absent, have been rather ill but now much better thankfully. And fully equipped with the zeal of one prevented from spreading The True Word Of Socialism. Well, outside of twitter anyway LMAO, far easier in between sleeps..

Oh and since am on a roll

It's not just the cap; a big issue I have is the reintroduction of Absolute Poverty.

It will be relatively easy under new system for people to fall completely through safety net and end up with either no income at all or the 'state minimum'- which is £2K per annum. An example would be someone wrongly assessed as being able to work and placed on workfare but who cannot manage workfare and therefore gets benefit suspension- all benefits, HB the lot. ATOS incorrect assessments for ESA running somewhere around 40% and bill to remove legal aid for all benefit appeals due this week so for a great many 'middle' level disabled people, and their carers who will have a choice of leace the person theyc are for unattended or be cut off competely- Absolute Poverty, br proper definition, is an increasing possibility. Is that ever an OK prospect for our vulnerable people?

There's also talk of making the supply of CTC (Council Tax Rebate) optional for councils. Okaaaaay. Becuase the single person's JSA will really cover that won't it! We don;t get CTC before anyone shouts - I still think it is really wrong.

The cap on benefits is a good idea. How can anyone in their right mind think it is ok for pay more than £26k to a family on benefits which has been pointed out is the same as earning £35,000 before tax. We need to rain this spending in fast; it is one of the largest cost to the taxpayer which we can no longer afford. The system is out of control.

If that makes me right wing then I suppose I should be shot but wait a minute that means I won't be able to pay tax to pay for all the benefits seems like that is cutting off your nose to spite your face, so perhaps not a good idea! These evil right wingers paying tax to support others!

Perhaps the left wingers should move to North Korea, I hear that is left wing country, no right wingers there!

The House of Lords think its OK ilovecoffee. Because they have actually reviewed the factual information.

Ilove it affects people with disabilities too, happy about that, or should they too go to North Korea?

'If that makes me right wing then I suppose I should be shot but wait a minute that means I won't be able to pay tax to pay for all the benefits seems like that is cutting off your nose to spite your face, so perhaps not a good idea! These evil right wingers paying tax to support others!' Yes that may be so but what you are forgetting is that it will leave a job vacancy for one of the scroungers to take up. Win - win imo.

Right winger and proud to be. Have been since the age of 20, even though I was brought up in a Labour family.

I would like to see the return of state-run institutions - large psychiatric hospitals, elderly hospitals, mother & baby homes etc etc. Because if these were up and running it would NOT cost more to care for the mentally ill, elderly and disabled etc - despite constant claims to the contrary. Those that think it would are forgetting that the increased jobs would result in less benefit claimants.
I have a breakdown of figures if anyone is interested.

We need a return to 60s and 70s style Britain.

Ilove may I point you to this document that in part swayed the House Of Lords?

Commonly known as The Spartacus Report here

Even if you disagree with content it is worth reading.

Buffyflow are you saying my disabled kids should be put in a large state run isntition?

Could you please just Fuck Right Off.

I worked in some of these large instituions btw; care is not the most appropriate word for what they offer.

Oh my God.

No wait, that's brilliant, tell us more Boffyflow.

oh and

Fucking hell, Boffy.

I have read some dreadful stuff on MN but that is appalling.

Really? We should stuff the elderly, the disabled, the mentally ill into INSTITUTIONS?

You do know that these potential patients are much loved family members of many MNetters?

Women who have battled for fecking YEARS to get the best care for their family and who are facing terrible hardship. Whose worst nightmare is having to put their child into care because they cannot afford to do it at home.