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To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

566 replies

Hullygully · 23/01/2012 14:33

I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

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BelleDameSansMerci · 24/01/2012 11:17

And, Peachy, your post was fantastic and succinctly describes the reality for many, many people.

kelly2000 · 24/01/2012 11:37

northernwreck,
so it was ok to fire people if they did want want to move because they could just go and get another job, but it is unfair for someone who is not working to move because apparently if you do not work you need to be near the same schools and family whereas obviously those that did have jobs do not need to send their children to school or be near their family. That makes no sense, and just seems to be a way of justifying labour firing people for not moving (many will have been earning under the average wage), and saying it is wrong the the conservatives are only going to pay the unemployed the average wage, and not house them where they want to be housed.
And some civil service departments were moved after the 2008 crash, so there were not huge amounts of jobs around.

And the conservatives are ahead because most people think it is fair that you get the average wage for not working, and that there is no justification for saying the unemployed deserve a greater wage than the employed.

kelly2000 · 24/01/2012 11:38

belle,
do agree with you about ed milliband, think labour would have a much better chance with david milliband (who is also better looking)-suspect he might end up leader, and prime minister one day anyway.

Dawndonna · 24/01/2012 11:39

Actually, the conservatives are ahead because most people have not read and do not fully understand the policies regarding the welfare bill. Had they been asked in recent polls 'Do you think it's right that monies be removed from families with disabilities', I'm damn sure that the opinion polls results would be very different.

bemybebe · 24/01/2012 11:47

David's chance is gone I think. He was a v popular choice at the last leadership election. And the way things go there I think the next leader might well be Ed Balls.

NorthernWreck · 24/01/2012 11:48

I was going to post about the so-called underclass on council estates and Peachy beat me to it.
I agree with everything she said.

I lived on an estate, (private tenant, ex-council house, which in fact you will see a lot as most council housing has actually been sold and then rented out to the very poor people who would have once been eligible for it..)

Maybe one in 20 families on that estate were the classic dysfuntional, substance addicted and criminal Jezza Kyle style lot.
The other 19 out of twenty were perfectly normal, hard working families.
You can't punish the majority for crimes of the minority.

And as peachy said, there is always a back story, damaged children breed damaged children, and the best way to end that cycle is proper support, monitoring, stability and education.

I do feel that the poor (which I include myself in at the moment) are being punished. It is dressed up as an ecomic neccessity, but actually it is poor families being punished because the country seems to want to blame someone to ease their anxiety.

Everybody actually does know that it is the profligacy of the banking sector, triggered by the sub prime loan debacle, that has caused this, but it's so much easier to take it out of the poor and the vulnerable.
After all, what are they gonna do?

The facts are:

People on full time wages(living in places where there is work) cannot afford to pay their rent and bills without government help.

Wages are, in real terms, going down,food, fuel and VAT is up.

The government is suffocating the economy and preventing growth.

Buses and trains are getting even more extortionate, so once we have moved out to the edges of cities, where we can cover the rent, we won't be able to get into the cities to go to work.

The only people really suffering in this ideologically viscious slashing of public services and support, are the poor, the disabled, children and the old.
Meanwhile the big companies get let off millions in tax.

NorthernWreck · 24/01/2012 11:51

kelly-no I dont think its right that the civil service forced people to move. As I said, it sucks.
And, again, the peope claiming the national wage in benefits are paying most of it to a landlord. And as others have said, if you are a family on 26 k, you will get tax credit top ups on top of that.

NorthernWreck · 24/01/2012 11:55

Besides which-

If I got the same in benefits as working, I would still work. Wouldnt most people? Most people do not want to sit at home all day.

Work provides a connection to the world, self regard, an identity.
It amazes me that so many well off middle class people go on and on about "people on benefits sitting on their arses watching jeremy kyle" but really, how many of these folk have they met?
Or do they just beleive what the Daily M tells them?

Chandon · 24/01/2012 12:04

I know two (mums) like that Northern.

It is not some rabid fantasy.

kelly2000 · 24/01/2012 12:05

northernwreck,
The 26K cap is the average wage of families after tax. So to get 26K after tax they have to earn 35K and do not therefore count for any benefits.

And would you still work if it meant you would loose income. thats a major factor, if you get twice as much not working as working there is a strong arguement for not working however much personal pride it gives you. Whereas if you earn the same working or not working most people will choose to work.

BelleDameSansMerci · 24/01/2012 12:06

Sorry Chandon but that's not a huge cross section of society.

sunshineandbooks · 24/01/2012 12:18

According to The Office for National Statistics' Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings (ASHE) 'mean' gross annual earnings across all employee jobs in 2008 came to £26,020. Considered to be more representative is the 'median' gross annual earnings, which is the more modest figure of £20,801. That's a take home of about 16,000 I think.

Households with children with this sort of combined income will be in receipt of tax credits and CB, so they will actually be living off more than this anyway. 75% of people in work claim tax credits, so it's disingenuous to say the least to compare benefit levels to salaries, since salaries are not the whole picture.

boschy · 24/01/2012 12:23

Well, we are 'working poor' living in the SE, actually in a significantly deprived rural area. We get no benefits of any kind except CB (and thank god that's been saved, there's a lot of months where it means we can eat).

We looked into sellling our house and moving into rented. BUT, to get just a 2 bed flat in a poor part of town with no secure parking or storage (essential so DH can continue to work) cost significantly more than our mortgage on our falling-down but rather lovely 4 bed house. And that's leaving aside all the stuff like the pets, which wouldnt be able to come with us if we did that kind of move, and the upset to the children. So we continue to cling on our by our fingernails.

Moving wouldnt put us anywhere nearer jobs - we are both self-employed so could do those anywhere I suppose - but it would take us away from my aged mother, the DCs school, friends etc etc.

I think I am a bleeding heart Tory - I believe people should work if they can, and the reward should be self-esteem and a decent standard of living and a chance for advancement; but I also believe we need to support those who cant due to disability, caring responsibilities etc. How you tally up the two I dont know, but I dont think either the Tories or Labour have the answer. I discount the Lib Dems, I think they have lost any chance of power for the significant future.

Heswall · 24/01/2012 12:30

Heswall - you do know that we couldn't function without continued immigration don't you?

We aren't functioning with it, so lets try my idea.
We need to feed the ones already here, I dread to think what would happen if there were any kind of natural disaster or state emergency in the UK right now.

sunshineandbooks · 24/01/2012 12:36

boschy I think you've highlighted the fact that it's housing costs that are at the root of the problem here. Housing costs are what is pushing up benefits to levels of £26,000 and housing costs are making life miserable for most people in work, bar the few top earners.

At some point as a nation we are going to need to tackle this. If we don't we will end up with many homeless (including huge swathes of middle earners) before something is done. What is needed is a massive social housing injection to bring rents down for those on benefits (which would reduce the welfare bill without needing to cap anything), and a concerted campaign aimed at preventing accumulation of wealth from property speculation. In our overcrowded country we cannot be so speculative with housing because the result is exactly what we're seeing now - ludicrous housing costs. Houses should be homes first, assets last.

boschy · 24/01/2012 12:44

sunshine for me it's about housing costs - you can economise on other stuff, you can scrimp and save, but the roof over your head is what matters.

when I was looking at rental properties, I dont think I saw ONE which did not say "no HB applicants". it's so wrong...

MmeLindor. · 24/01/2012 12:54

Only scanned this thread cause I should be doing something else just wanted to say

  1. Hully is God
  1. MNHQ are doing well to keep this thread from being deleted
  1. Does Kelly have to put 26k in every single post?
  1. Don't do anything to get this deleted, want to read it properly later
NorthernWreck · 24/01/2012 12:56

I just posted this by accident on another thread

You can't be better off not working than working. You will always be a little better off working.
I am watching carol McGiffin and her ilk on Loose Women the stupid fucking cow.
Why why why why are people under this impression that "people on benefits" are automatically "people who don't work"??
The MAJORITY of people claiming benefits are WORKING!!!
It is not this black and white divide between working and not working.

Oh God, she is onto single mums now.
I think I need my own gun purely to shoot carol McGiffin with.

NorthernWreck · 24/01/2012 12:56

Sorry Mmme, I think I may get deleted for saying I want to shoot Carol McGiffin.
Switching off telly now..

MmeLindor. · 24/01/2012 13:00

Nothing to see here, MNHQ. Nothing at all.

NorthernWreck · 24/01/2012 13:01
Hullygully · 24/01/2012 13:07

Nothing wrong with a bit of shooting

OP posts:
mrsruffallo · 24/01/2012 13:08

Disclaimer; have only read OP.
YABU
Well, I am naturally left wing but I am beginning to detest other left wingers, esp. patronising, preachy ones who are woefully misinformed and much more reactionary than right wingers.

WinterIsComing · 24/01/2012 13:08

Grin at Peachy: "he's a bit old for sherbet"

And VM's Newsround comment.

gingercat12 · 24/01/2012 13:08

Oh, no I want to read the ebginning of this thread, too.