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To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

566 replies

Hullygully · 23/01/2012 14:33

I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

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Llanbobl · 23/01/2012 20:09

Shirley - it does contradict - on one hand we have the long standing policy of RTB and on the other the NL introduced policy of limiting support for mortgage interest for JSA claimants time limited for 104 weeks. And yes, the line being held by the Con-Dems was the one NL introduced - if you can't afford it - sell it and live within your means.

Still think we shouldn't expect the state to pay our mortgages/rent just so the impression of a certain life style can be maintained. If you can't pay your bills then you need to make lifestyle changes - don't expect others to pick up your bills.

ShirleyForAllSeasons · 23/01/2012 20:16

What 'certain lifestyle' are you talking about?

I'm honestly puzzled. Do you mean that poorer families should live...where?

Hullygully · 23/01/2012 20:19

sorry, life called.

I had to organise the boats for the island

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kelly2000 · 23/01/2012 20:21

northern
and left wing labour told people they could either loose their jobs or move hundreds of miles when they relocated parts of the civil service, so why is that OK (bearing in mind if these people owned their own houses they might not have been able to sell) but people moving to rent where they can afford it is not? Also if people get offered a new job there is no saying it will not be in another part of the country and they will have to move anyway as there is no saying that they will get a job in the are they currently live. No-one thinks thta is wrong.
And many landlords in central london rely on hb to be able to charge what they want, if HB is cut this will force rent down, as it is parts of london are becoming affordable only to those who are rich, or on HB.

smallwhitecat · 23/01/2012 20:23

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NorthernWreck · 23/01/2012 20:46

When civil service depts moved, there were other jobs around. Yes, it sucked for those people, but it's not the same.
Where are the poor supposed to move to once they have uprooted their kids from their schools and friends, and from their own support networks and families?
Where are these supposedly affordable rents going to be ? Will they be in places where there is work?
Of course not!
And HB has been cut already. I haven't noticed any rents going down yet..

Anniegetyourgun · 23/01/2012 21:02

Look, Hully, you know I love you and everything, but you can't just go around shooting right wingers.

Reason being, the buggers own all the fucking guns.

ExitPursuedByaBear · 23/01/2012 23:11

Wow. Just wow.

tethersend · 23/01/2012 23:14

My dad had a 'W' tattooed on each buttock. When he bent over, we all said "Wow".

-Freddie Starr.

We need to remember such wisdom at times like these.

Peachy · 24/01/2012 07:33

I just had a message from maypole pointing out my spelling mistakes seeing as I had done it to others

Have I been? I don't normally; having poor eyesight myself I tend to avoid it.

Why my civil service moved in 1995 (HMRC to be exact, FTA contract) it was PITA, and scary, but I managed another job (with someone's dad)- point is that the people most at risk now are those whoc an't do that- carers, disabled etc. Twigs in a breeze or somecuh: bending at will of otehrs.

Peachy · 24/01/2012 07:38

Porto- exactly, the top ups matter. it only becomes a living wage that way is absolutely bloody ridiculous but there you are. That a person- often one with a degree or many eyars expereice- cannot cope on an average salary is frankly pathetic.

Diabolo- I grew up on an estate like that and then worked on one; not my experience at all and even when it is there is so often a back story. Yes I have met families where it's plain a few decision by parents well- yes. but they ahve always been there; indeed first one to spring to mind was one whhere kids same age as me (39 this year); they at least had access to a council house, thankfully as social pulled all but one child in the end and building knowledge of a family without them moving about is crucial. The remaiing child was a week too old- a lovely boy, in my sister's class, and thankfully an anomally in his family of criminals who ahs gone on to do alright and have a mraiiage and kids and job etc.

BelleDameSansMerci · 24/01/2012 08:28

Peachy - I think that's the thing that I find most worrying. There is now little provision to "catch" children whose parents make selfish/addiction led choices. It seems that large sections of society just think it's a waste of time and it's "well, look at the parents spending their money on booze/drugs". The answer to that is not, in my opinion, to simply reduce benefits because the parents will still spend the same on booze/drugs/gambling (if not more) and the children will further suffer. Clearly, throwing more money directly at the parents isn't going to help either. My point is that taking the benefit payment in isolation, without addressing the underlying issues, will lead to greater hardship for many who have no voice.

Peachy · 24/01/2012 09:30

Quite, BelleDame

I do think that certain parts of society like to think that they love their children more; that if you loved your child enough you would manage X Y and Z

that's rubbish: the vast majority of people adore their children, regardless of income. Some people are damaged and struggle to cope with parenting, some people are lacking in opportunities- maybe they live in the Valleys of Wales or had to care for the ir Mum as a child and missed most of their schooling. Some people haven't a clue how to get back on their feet after being kncoked off them by a divorce, illness, redundancy.

Many people have lost their jobs and are just trying to cope- evidence is showing clearly that one's ability to manage that is regional. My closest city is Newport; BBC news today is saying that it is harder here (and in Swansea) than many other places. People can't just move- there isn't the low cost housing elsewhere. Yet because it's cheaper here the government policies will seem to want people to move here: where there is no housing, where there are very few jobs since the public and industrial sectors collapsed on us, where certain schools already have hundreds more students than they were built to take (different admissions system- live in catchment get a place regardless of how many of you...). Where social services are having to ration the Sn summer scheme even to those established within the system. Where even a family prioritised as needy cannot get respite and parents of severely disbaled people are refused adult resi unless- to quote a friend's case- 'you are abusing them or dying of a terminal illness'. Where ds4, who is known to have ASD- it's bloody obvious, will post a random pic in my profile in a minute, even visible from that- is stuck way down a hospital list to be seen by a Paed. Where even at a so-called good school ds2 had 13 teachers last year and will have many more next (half expecting school to go into special measures but still 'local posh Church school' to outsiders)

Where do people think the families will end up? Where housing is cheap- Merthyr? Where IDS cheerfully told people to catch q bus into Cardiff except Cardiff has seemingly lost Peacocks and much of Lloyds last week alone. When the HB cuts were brought in thousands of B&B places were pre-booked (at a +++++ cost natch) in Margate and Hastings- I am not familar with these palces tbh but I will bet with their demographics they do not have the infrastructure to cope with hundreds of thousads (200k was one estimate I read) of families needing school palces, GP allocation, hoispital and social services.....

In principle I have no problm with a cap, I am a grear believer in the value of work. But loud claims about tying it to average wage when a family on average wage gets lots of tax credits help just to cope is ridiculous. Cutting child benefit formore children is appalling and IMO immoral. Expecting people to move into low cost housing when ther simply isn't any is stupid.

The idea has some basis in sense, but we do NOT have the basics it takes to make it workable in place, not without human suffering and misery anyhow. Ripping up communities- moving people from possible childcare within the family, care support for older or disabled relations- is bizarre and the opposite of Big Society. 'Care for your aging Mum- even if you've been displaced to Newcastle and she is in Suffolk'.

It's also seemingly pathetic to demonise non working people when there are no jobs to be had. Shifting focus can surely only work for so long. people will notice- won't they? When I got DS1's diagnosis carers (I wasn't officially one then) were not counted amongst the 'unemployment benefits; commonly they are now. It's a massive shift.

But you know what i really loathe? What grates every fibre of me being and makes me furious? It's when someone brings in these policies then looks down a camera and denies it will cause suffering, as IDS did this weekend. Despite a film being shown alongside of a mum and small boy ebing made homeless. WTF? People are killing themselves (see above link). People are in a state of panic.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE CUTS POLICIES LIKE THIS EITHER HAVE THE BALLS TO ACCEPT THE INEVITABLE FALLOUT FOR REAL LIFE PEOPLE OR FUCK RIGHT OFF

And now I have let that out will go engage my dear little ds4 in activities. Becuase diabolo (nice name) might choose to believe I am Queen Scrote but I am not; I am a good person who loved and prioritises her children. Writing me off as part of some irresponsible mass annoys me immensely.

SWC hellooooo! Only come in when feeling brave LOL. And when my FB page needs a break from the politics Wink

(somewhere in that rant the line 'These are the palces where the disenfranchised will be expected tomove;' is missing as I found it bizarrely at the end of the piecve but DS4 s making annoying grabs for my 'boobies' and I can't find it between batting him off!)

Peachy · 24/01/2012 09:33

Oh and wrt tpo booze drugs etc

I have ener taken ANY drugs of the illegal type ever. Not that I get offerd- I give off square vibes! Last time I saw a barman back home with white powder on his upper lip I thought 'he is a bit old for sherbet'

I once smoked 3 fags, in 2002. I had a job, I didn;t like it, Dh said he would divorce me rather than put up with the smell. I never smoked any more.

I do have a bottle of wine with DH some weels. IRIRC there is a part druk bottle of Baileys somewhere but I have a dairy intol o not mine, probably my mother's.

Hullygully · 24/01/2012 09:47

Here are a couple of interesting facts:

  1. The people that lose their homes WON'T be the single parent on White Lightening with seventeen kids and a plasma tv...because they live in affordable social housing.

The people that lose their homes will be the working poor, trying to live on the minimum wage and paying huge amounts of private rent.

  1. If all benefits are cut, no one earning a low wage will be better off, the rich will be even better off as the savings will be ploughed into tax cuts.
  1. Up unitl 2020 no low wages will rise, but higher earners will still see their wages increase.
  1. WE ARE NOT IN THIS TOGETHER.
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Heswall · 24/01/2012 10:10

I have the answer I think.

Absent parents pay the resident parent direct from their gross salary.
The absent parent feels a bit less hard done by, the government looses a bit of tax and NI but that's nothing compared to the current benefit pay outs and the resident parent has a regular source of income.
Everyone then gets a citizens wage £10k for single adults of 18 or above, premimums for the disabled. Each child is worth £5k a year in total.

I don't think it could be better, I really don't.

Work if you want, don't if you don't. Nobody will starve and 90% will work to better their position.

Heswall · 24/01/2012 10:12

Oh and pull up the bloody drawbridge, the people already on the island need to be protected. The sorry no vacancies sign needs to go up asap.

Heswall · 24/01/2012 10:14

Hully - have you considered that if the HB top ups aren't available this will put downward pressure on rents and the working poor might be the ones to benefit from all this ?
Currently they are the ones suffering, as you say Mrs plasma probably lives in social housing because nobody else will put up with them.
But if these LL 's suddenly have 10 empty properties they will reduce the rent to fill them. They will have to.

catgirl1976 · 24/01/2012 10:16

Heswall - you do know that we couldn't function without continued immigration don't you?

catgirl1976 · 24/01/2012 10:16

I think you missed one Hully

Hullygully · 24/01/2012 10:23

They won't reduce it enough Heswall.

The market rate for private flats in Westminster, for eg, is WAY above the cap.

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TeWihara · 24/01/2012 10:23

Impact assessments say that rent won't reduce as there will be more people chasing each affordable property and pushing the price up.

1 in 8 housing benefit payments goes to someone working, remember. And there are individual housing benefit caps also being introduced that mean affordable housing is going to become an even bigger issue than ever before (and it was hardly easy now)

perceptionreality · 24/01/2012 10:26

Hully, you are so right. Unfortunately so many people have been brainwashed by right wing BS that I fear we will have to put up with the cunts for another term at least :(

RatherBeOnThePiste · 24/01/2012 10:47

and Boris is being lined up apparently to take over from Cameron. Things are not looking good then. I can't believe the Gov are ahead in the polls. Bloody hell.

BelleDameSansMerci · 24/01/2012 11:15

I believe they are ahead because the opposition is not, sadly, credible. I am a Labour supporter but I do not believe Ed Miliband is strong enough to defeat ConDems. He is a bit like Neil Kinnock was against the last Tories. Charisma required...