To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

[Hullygully]

I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

DawnDonna - :) xx

Cos you vote in twats like the ones we've got now, auntlucy? .

Has Maypole gone yet? makes bullety noise...

Oh and if you think those considered to have a disability have it bad just wait until you get old. Then you'll really know what it is like to be crapped on by the very state you paid in to all your life while those who didn't get everything.

I think the use of that term sets her level of education and understanding quite clearly.

I would hope that the moderators of the page remove her from the boards immediately.

I shall not engage with her further.

Good plan Valar - I shall follow suit I think.

clothesofsand - listentotaxman.com/index.php
If you follow the link you will see for someone paying tax with no extra tax relief e.g. for childcare vouchers, they have to be earning a gross wage of £35,000 to receive £26,162 in cash every year.

And I understood DLA is not included in the 26k cap.

Valar - am sure that I will be told off for saying so but you are either a spotty teen to socially inept to go out with their pals and instead stays at home winding up people who are genuinely concerned and have educated themselves in matters of importance, or you really are a completely moronic arsehole.

I've always given her the benefit of the doubt and gone with moronic arsehole. I think you're too kind.

Anyway - engagement ceases!

DLA is not currently to be included. But Child benefit is.

*What ahs gone wrong that we now need benefits as they are..... it's not the acceptability, it's the differential between income and housing that has normalised dependency. It is not the poor people that benefit from that- whether £25 or £2500 goes to their landlord they still don't see it, it's the landlord at the other end who gets the tax payer's money.

the Landlords that in my experience tend to vote Tory.

Indeed, i would argue if you get HB via leasing a house then you are benefit dependent too.* (peachy)

This. Exactly this.

Wages are stupidly low, the cost of living, just living, is stupidly high.

I don't want housing benefit. I want a flat I can afford on a full time wage, food in my cupboards, and enough for school uniform and bus fare.

I can't have those things on a full time wage where I live.

Something is really wrong if that is the case.
I reckon the government want us to be dependant on benefits for our basic needs. It gives them power over us.

But Hully, shooting people is very naughty. Put the gun down immediately. after you have shot maypole

Llanbobi well of course, but they were permitted and indeed incentivised to do so.

ESA is included in the cap as well.

First Hully came for the rightwingers....and I did not speak out because I was not a rightwinger........... :)

Not a fan of them myself but I do think other people have the right to their opinions however twattosh and wrong they may be :)

Why does not wanting the Government to bankrupt itself make you a bad person. People who complain about the current Government's policies, what would you do just carry on borrowing money? What would you do when the bond market refuses to lend us anymore money? The Government cannot perpetually run a structural deficit its the road to national bankruptcy, is that what so called left wing people want to happen?

Absolutely NorthernWreck. We shouldn't be campaigning to cut benefits. We should be campaigning to make work pay.

I agree with ESA being included in the cap if I understand ESA correctly. ESA is to replace incapacity benefit. So it is meant for those who are too ill to work, but who don't need personal care. DLA is meant for those who need personal care.

And I know that people are saying that people have been assessed as not needing DLA, when they do. But that is how the policy is being applied, not the policy itself of including ESA in the 26k cap.

Why does not wanting the Government to bankrupt itself make you a bad person. People who complain about the current Government's policies, what would you do just carry on borrowing money?

I would change the laws around Tax avoidance by multi national companies and millionaire entrepreneurs.

valar - I agree with making work pay. But the reality is that we are currently losing jobs as it is. We are in an international market. My worry is if we increased the minimum wage to a level where nobody currently working full time were entitled to any income related benefits, that our unemployment rate would be much higher. Which doesn't help anyone.

Aaargh. Hully, give me the gun.

karetta, it is just not that simple.
The current govmnt has slowed our economy to a standstill and now are making noises about investing in infastructure to boost the economy again (because they have realised that just swingeing cuts everywhere is detrimental).

Of course nobody wants bankruptcy, but it's not an either/or situation.
The choise is not between wholeheartedly taking on US policies on welfare and taxex OR going bankrupt.

The cuts are too fast, too deep, ill thought out, and actually very bad for the ecomony.

And, actually, they will kill people. Cuts to the NHS will directly kill people. Cuts to the fire service will kill people. Cuts to services for old people...well you get the picture.
It will be interesting to see how many people are outraged by what they are doing once they have lost a loved one to this madness.

But Karetta it's not that people want the government to bankrupt themselves they want them to stop squeezing those who are already struggling so much already.

But the reality is that we are currently losing jobs as it is. We are in an international market.

That is the crux - the current approach is just not sustainable.

Exactly Northern

I felt shamed by benfits that I ahd to claim for being a Carer. I WANTED DH's management job to keep us all; I WANTED him not to be amde redundant.

DLA not included but ends anyway in 2013 for adults and very many fewer people will get PIP- most with autism, MH problems, intermittend syndromes such as MS will be unable to claim. Self propel your chair 50 yards on a flat? no claim. Pick up a pen on request? no claim.

So these families will end up with the extra costs within the cap: the cumulative effect is huge.

I have almost a post grad; DS1 has ASD and is violent and unsafe (last attempt to burn house down at 3.25) aged 12: ds2 suspected ADD; ds3 severe ASD, no chance of independence; ds4 suspected ASD. We have NEVER been on jobless benefits, excluding Carer's. I hope to start working again in the summer when DH is working fully from home so can meet the various special school taxis.

And yes, I probably should not have had kids; I didn't realise the chances of them all having SN; had no idea we carried genes at all- indeed we are a statistical fluke. But whereas I may have been more use to society sterilised age 13, my darling boys are the light of my life and never asked to be born or disabled. Only one should be benefit dependent, I expect the others to earn.

When they brought in the minimum wage the Tories said it would cause mass unemployment. It didn't.
When people are properly rewarded for the work they do, they spend money, they invest, they build extensions on their houses, employ childminders, all sorts of things.

The unemployment rate IS going to rise anyway. The demise of Peacocks and Past times last week has forced another 7000 into the dole queue.

To punish them for the crime of working for a failed company by forcing them out of their homes and into poverty seems wholly wrong.

The argument that the welfare bill is bankrupting the economy is such a red herring. It is also completely untrue.

The cost of benefit fraud is less than he MP's expenses claims.
The total cost of ALL welfare benefits is less than the amount the UK is cheated out of by legal tax avoidance.

But instead of changing the laws to make the rich pay, we are squeezing the finances of the most vulnerable in society. I cannot fathom how that is deemed an acceptable proposition for any right thinking adult

I know it won't happen - but ideally i would like the 26k cap and for savings to be used to increase the amount the most severely disabled get. If you are very severely disabled the level of DLA is nowhere near enough to support your care needs.

And also-I have personally been made £50 a month poorer. I am struggling (trying really hard) but struggling. I have missed meals in the past 3 months so I could pay bills and feed ds.
Bus fares have gone up 12 %.

Thats the reality of these cuts. I am stressed, tired from worry and hunting down jobs and sometimes hungry.
It's not good for my son, it's not good for anyone.
How have the cuts affected high income people?