To think that people who moan on facebook about being delayed after someone has committed suicide under a train are insensitive twats?

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One of my facebook friends has today written a moany status 'thanking' the 'idiot' who jumped under a train (am assuming he was delayed getting home because of this).

Some poor bastard has got to the a point so low in their life that they feel that the best thing they can do is end it all, and all some people can do is moan that they have been mildly inconvenienced getting home.

This isnt the first status I have seen like this either. Now granted, I am not a commuter so have not been in the position where I have been delayed on a train due to a track suicide, although I do know of a girl who ended her life under a train.

AIBU?

It is semantics. I hardly think this is the place to be discussing it though.

it isn't factually.

My sister killed herself at Hassocks,Sussex,on Thursday 25 April. I am so angry,ashamed and unable to understand. I ended up looking at the Samaritans entry on Facebook. There is a charity/initiative within Samaritans called [email protected] - I have made a small monthly direct debit payment to this charity rather than a floral tribute and a small lump sum in lieu of attending her funeral which would have entailed alot of petrol and overnight stay.I was estranged from her for ten years the chance for a reconciliation is gone forever BUT at least she can no longer hurt me,and my sons and their families. I cannot remember a time when I was not ashamed of the way she lived and the way she treated my father.
My grandchildren range from 8 down to 18mths - I keep wondering did any tiny children witness the final seconds of her miserable life?I know at first hand about depression. It sadly runs in our family. But there is help out there - I know.
I had one night when I lay awake all night but taking the dog for a really long walk helped me sleep the following night.I shall not allow her to ruin any more of my families lives. She was my little sister but she became a grown up. There are consequences in this life. And 'what goes around comes around' whether it is drink,drugs,abortion.drink driving etc...

^ jesus :(

Yanbu I have seen it on FB and it utterly sickens me about society today. Wher has te compassion and empathy gone

Not too long ago, DS phoned from the train to say there was a delay,

so I went on line to find out what was going on, put in train, name of route, delay and up popped the forum for the football fans of the next city down the track, they were all discussing the delay,which was going to cause them to miss the away match, apparently due to a suicide (they had some how found out),

not one of them said a single horrible thing, I was seriously impressed at their awareness, all were full of thoughts for the person and family, not one lack of understanding mention of selfish behaviour,

We later found out who it was, well loved and known ,she was a local mum (health care team professional) , who just didn't get the right help when she needed it.

I don't imagine feelings of being selfish come into play as you throw yourself under a train!

Feelings of utter worthlessness and despair I expect.

Agree op its disgusting.

I always comment that whilst its inconvenient, someone else has had a worse day/week/life than they have

Not really, it's cowardice. If people want to kill themselves then fine. But why not do it without causing a load of issues for others. There's loads of ways you can do it without traumatizing the driver, police, paramedics etc

Secondly to the posters saying whining about it on Facebook is bad, it happens a lot on my commute and has made me hours late home. This has had knock on effects with childcare, or forced me to work over time if it happens in the morning. Your compassion runs out pretty quickly onthe 4th or 5th time

I was on a train someone threw themselves in front of :(

Whilst we were stuck waiting for the police etc to do what they needed to do, they shut the train off, so there were no electrics

A girl a few seats down from me was moaning because she couldn't get wifi

I really had to hope she just hadn't worked out what had happened (they didn't announce it but anyone with half a brain could have worked it out)

YANBU

I'm not sure.

I think you can't be selfish if you think you are doing good.

I remember sitting, waiting for a train. Looking at the tracks.

I didn't want them to suffer. Because I felt that my family WERE suffering, they had ME in their lives, therefore- they were suffering. If I was gone- if I was dead- I knew they'd feel a terrible, terrible pain. But to me- I KNEW that that pain was better than having me. That for them to be happy, for them to live well- for them not to get dragged down, that I needed to be out of their lives permanently. No coming back. That was suicide.

I wasn't 'selfish'. Or, rather, if I'd committed suicide, I don't feel that ould have been a selfish act. Because I, and many, many people commit suicide because they feel that them living is so, so much worse for everyone than them dying.

Thankfully I didn't commit suicide. I nearly overdosed a few months after,mbut again, didn't. I literally stared at the packet and counted out the pills but I didn't manage to take them, I couldn't force myself to. Not because I realised suicide was selfish- but because I was terrified I'd survive.

Thankfully those 'times' are over. I a, happy. But the act if suicide is one of mental illness, not rationality. No rational human being does that. Wanting to kill yourself is because you think death is better than life- often not just for you but your death would be better for everyone. Obviously, not true BUT the actual act is, I think, one borne out of love rather than selfishness.

When I nearly committed suicide,in didn't see it as wrong or selfish. I saw staying alive as the ultimate selfish act. Thankfully, I don't know and enjoy my life, but it's an ILLNESS which is beyond your control. It takes you way beyond your limits, and it twists you until you think you are the wrong one and you'd be better off dying.

My sympathy for a person who feels so low that they choose to end their own life is not in any way diminished by my belief that certain ways of doing it are extremely harmful for others.

It's harmful for friends and family regardless of the method but making someone else 'responsible' for your death is awful.

And yes, of course mental illness warps your thoughts but bollocks are the vast vast majority beyond even recognising what happens at the moment of impact and beyond.

I think it's a blunt way of trying to shut down discussion to say that a suicidal person cannot possibly comprehend the effect and that anyone who disagrees simply doesn't understand.

Also it's hard to say these things without it seeming like an attack on those poor souls who have jumped - My issue is with those saying its not selfish.

Yes I have the utmost sympathy for someone in such despair - but I don't doubt that someone choosing to walk in front of a train has in some way considered the reality of that but chosen to go on with that plan regardless. You can pretty it up, or (as I would normally choose) say nothing, certainly not whinge on bloody Facebook, but ultimately it is selfish.

I hate this idea that people who reach such a low they kill themselves are in any way selfish or cowardly [angry[. Complete and utter ignorance.

My father killed himself, and whilst I could go on about how selfish it was, I am not stupid. I know he wasn't thinking rationally, that he thought the world would be a better place without him.

People who reach the point of jumping under a train aren't thinking straight.

And as for cowardly, really??! I can't think of anything scarier, or more against my instincts that killing myself, I think it takes a bloody lot of courage and desperation.

People whinging about the inconvenience lack insight and empathy, and should be pitied. They live in black and white worlds, dashing from A to B and never having the time to actually think a bit deeper.

But why should they have empathy? Of course it's sad if someone kills themselves but jumping in front of a train is cowardly. Why ruin other people's lives by doing it in this manner?

My husband is a train driver. He receives counselling for the trauma of having five selfish twats throw themselves under his train over the last 20 years. Commit suicide if you must but don't inflict the image of your death on to minds of innocents for the rest of their lives.

I believe our world would be a much better place if everyone had a bit more empathy. MH services are over-stretched and under-funded, ultimately a little empathy from others can go a long way and society may seem like a less daunting and judgmental place if everyone had a bit more empathy.

It seems it's not ruining others lives if everyone had the attitude of "oh how inconvenient someone's just jumped under my train I'll be late for xyz". How can anyone say this is selfish without being in the mindset of somebody who has done this?

Suicide is a desperate act by someone who is in intense pain and wants their pain to stop. That is a human response to extreme pain, not a selfish one. IMO selfishness is trying to gain something at the expense of others, someone who commits suicide is not trying to gain anything as such.

I'm in that place at the moment, or not far off it. I have wanted to end everything for years, and the only thing that stops me is the thought of how my family would feel, but it's getting to the point where I'm so tired and miserable that its getting harder and harder to put everyone else's feelings ahead of my own. I already know how I'd do it, a plan I have worked out specifically to cause as little distress to other people as possible. I feel like if I could let someone else step inside my head and feel what it's like to live with this day in, day out, they would understand what I need to do and they wouldn't try to stop me, because no compassionate person would want to force someone to live like this. I don't know why I'm posting this, I suppose I thought someone might find it interesting.

I can see both sides, our line is affected frequently as there are two "hotspots". When this terrible events happens it can cause delays of many hours, one week I literally came home and went straight to bed to get 4 hours sleep before having to get up to go to work four days running. 3 were suicides and 1 due to cable theft.

I would like to see train companies man these stations with trained people to try to prevent these tragic events, also employers could do much more to help people under pressure. The train companies can get better at managing delays.

to those that sympathise ,i salute you >to those that attempt to justify their moaning , bitching ,complain about "method" of ending life (which inconvienienced you ? i hope ,i really do hope the sun always shines brightly in your own personal sky,and i hope you are not pretending you are bringing up any children you may have ,as proper ,well rounded ,educated ,people ,because if you are in the complaining group ,tell me what is your moral code ,where your ethics ? now>>>cue posters saying the following "how dare ....." so predictable ,so sad .yes you who are bitching i am refering to ! call yourself human?

Feeling stressed or annoyed because of the impact it has on your day is perfectly normal behaviour. I was late for an important interview because of a suicide. I was slightly irritated but accepted that shit happens and that the family members of that person will have their lives destroyed forever, whereas this was only an interview. It wasn't the end of the world.

To call people - DEAD people who most likely had mental illnesses - "selfish twats" says a lot about the person who think that is acceptable. Judge the act but judging the person is beyond vile.

YANBU. Even if they feel aggrieved at the delay, its one of those situations where its best to stay quiet, out of decency.

The only person I know who committed suicide by throwing herself in front of a train was a lovely young girl of 23; she was a medical student and successful athlete who had failed her exams.

I suspect suicide by train is chosen by those tragic people because it is one of those methods where you can't be rescued or change your mind.

I had a friend who committed suicide this way. Horrible. I also used to be one of those who grumbled about delays until that happened. Now I just feel great sympathy abs sadness for the family, friends and staff of the trains.

I suspect many who take their lives this way aren't aware of the number of people it impacts and the clean up involved. I went to the inquest and the description of death was gruesome.

This thread is so fucking sad in so many ways!