To think that the West is seriously fucked up on the bosom front?

[Hullygully]

Bags of poison sewn into our infant feeding parts.

How fucked up is that?

I've learnt quite a lot about why some women choose to have reconstruction after breast cancer and some don't. I'd not really thought about why some don't and I think it is good that people have shared their experiences and given links.

I just don't feel we've got much further forward in understanding why women are having cosmetic surgery on what have always been healthy breasts.

As Maryz said. 100%

mishtake, don't be daft. Come on, you can talk to the rest of us who are employing PARD.

willowisp

please read mishtake's previous post again re this issue, as they explain the difference quite clearly and eloquently

THEY ARE SOOOOOOO NOT THE SAME

but if you refuse to see what's staring you in the face to suit yourself so be it

Yes

Come on, group cuddle with mishtake

Hully, I love that, "I think your point is frankly mad and out of date!" comes under the umbrella of PARD. Not being sarcastic, I think it truly does in a Maggie Smith / Downton Abbey way.

Just had to check that it was Maggie Smith because I don't usually watch it and found her best zingers

oh come on now...PARD definitely means something.....what is it? I hate secrets....:(

hmm if you added 'statements of fact must be supported from the literature or retracted' I would def be up for it.

Could we have a PARD+cite section of MN?

I suppose it depends on what is important to you. I have a couple of friends who have had implants, none of whom have had particularly large ones, they have just put there boobs back to where they were prior to having 3 kids. Another friend literally had a man's figure, looks way way way better with some boobs to give her shape.
Would I do it? No - already got good ones thanks but give me a big scar across my face and tell me that I am wrong to have surgery to improve that and I would habe to disagree.

or 'have' even

Sorry Entropy, I didn't know you didn't know PARD.

Some of us are very keen on it.

Some aren't but we chase them out of town

Hully, biology is not mad and not out of date. Can you seriously tell me that women are not competitive and compare themselves to each other? Most of this 'self-improvement' seems to be done to compare favourably to other women. I choose to rise above it but have you read the Daily Mail recently, a very popular rag with women, and looked at the comments. They are quite vile, like they need to put others down to feel better about themselves. There must be a biological reason for this, and competing for partners is the most obvious, annihilating the competition being the object.

What's PARD????

I'm not aggressive at all, merely stating what I believe, which of course happens to be different to you.

What I don't understand with ANY cosmetic surgery is people who say they do it for themselves, you don't have to look at yourself (unless you are a person who spends their life looking at themselves in reflective surfaces) so why do you care what you look like?? I look at other people around me, but I don't look at me (well apart from my hands when I am typing).
You care because society tells you that people are suppose to look a certain way and humans are mainly conformists. If you want to have cosmetic surgery then go ahead no skin off my nose but at least be honest with yourselves for the reason, you want to look good for other people.

I've not had chance to read all of this thread, I've glanced at a few replies, some viewpoints on implants leave me feeling uncomfortable.

I had reconstructive surgery following removal of a tumour (suspected phyllodes tumour) and because of the nature of the tumour a good deal of breast tissue was also excised at the same time, surgeon advised that I would be left with quite a noticeable disfigurement and that I could have implant to improve the look of my breast. I had 6 weeks in which to decide, I could leave it and go back in the future for reconstructive surgery or I could have the reconstruction at the same time as the tumour was excised (WLE) he advised that because I was a small A cup that he place implants in both breasts as they would be lopsided otherwise. Now 15 months on I'm happy with the outcome.

Debates like this can leave me cold, there are some viewpoints where the poster spits venom at ladies for having implants and then adds a tentative but it's ok for reconstruction. Even though I am one of the latter I can still understand why some without the need for reconstruction would have this surgery.

Oh and one more thing to clear up, dp loves them and they do move, yes they really do!

See, I've always been opposed to cosmetic surgery for pure vanity reasons. But recently found myself telling my OH I'm self-conscious about my bits and should I have something done about it? He laughed and called me a dick. Am no longer considering flap surgery.

In all seriousness, I think it's baffling and very sad and I worry for my DD.

Pag, I find what you say so interesting - that you've had loads of boyfriends who've never given a fuck about your size. I was talking about something similar the other day but with regards to personality.

My best friend is a bit full-on regarding men in the past - calling in the middle of the night, texting endlessly, doing it on the first date and all the other things we're not "supposed" to do. Yet she has never had a problem getting together with men she likes. Men seem to find her fascinating, despite her over-the-topness.

I wonder if the whole thing is somehow connected? My best friend is utterly confident that she is a fabulous person and people seem to want to be close to that. She is not the most beautiful or skinniest person in the world but it doesn't seem to matter to her or the people she's gone out with in the slightest.

I can understand them wanting bigger breasts if you are flat chested but I defo want mine smaller!! I am currently 40DD () and have tried nearly everything to reduce them naturally, they drive me mad, can't get off-the shelf bras to fit in Tesco's/Asda etc.

I know I definately do not want foreign bodies inside me.