To think that the West is seriously fucked up on the bosom front?

[Hullygully]

Bags of poison sewn into our infant feeding parts.

How fucked up is that?

Totally agree, Hully. When it comes right down to it, what difference does it make if you look good or not? I don't worry about how I look at all. I also suffer from horribly low self esteem and a personality disorder and depression.

They're a D cup in the skin of an F cup. Exercises won't save me now! These bad boys are screwed.

I have no plans to have surgery on them. I value many other things about the way my boobs look. I don't think they're worth the price of a wild holiday or a new car. But if I do ever get the spare money, I don't want to be chased down the metaphorical street by an army of well meaning women trying to rescue me from my own stupidity. It's so patronizing!

As far as I've seen, Florie, almost everyone on this thread has said that they have no problem with individual women making choices, and plenty of problems with society and its weird beauty ideals.

Well said Florrie!

I haven't read the thread, but I'm glad to hear it.

The message that we should be comfortable in our own skin, saggy or not, is laudable, but that point can be made without trying to stamp over anyone's intelligence. I don't want fake or real boobs because anyone tells me that's what I should want.

High five! lavita

Not breasts, but vaginas:
refurbishments...

No-one's said that Florie.

I'm not sure I agree with myself either but as nobody else offered an explanation (IMO) for the vitriol that is reserved for women who have had BA's, it was just a thought that I was exploring.
To clarify, I have not had a BA, I am generally not in favour of cosmetic surgery but I do think that after counselling it should be available to people who would psychologically benefit from a cosmetic procedure, be it rhinoplasty, birthmark removal, breast reduction or breast enlargement.
Personally, I don't think the 'you are putting bags of poison' in your body stands up. It is a risk that is assessed in the same way as the risks of infection or having a GA is assessed. Also it seems that there is an attitude of 'you deserve all you get' for women that have had the PIP implants, where is the support in that?

We've covered all this in the thread. Do read it, it saves repetition!

That was for the last few posters, not specifically you Cutter. Great name, btw, in the circs.

Good thread,'though. Getting all the angles makes you think.

Thank you Hully, I'm glad it didn't go un-noticed!

Yes, I agree there is an attitude of 'you deserve all you get' and it is spiteful and unnecessary. The PIP thing is unfortunate - it is possible to have the operation done safely if you don't choose someone unscrupulous and it is not a procedure that requires much recovery - much less than a C section for example. The PIP scandal has served to give breast augs very bad publicity generally. When you think about it there are plenty of blunders in general medicine all the time yet nobody says you cannot trust health care professionals any more generally.

I was replying to your OP hully, but thanks for the tip. I've got a novel on the go at the minute otherwise I'd have been on it like a dog on a kit kat

I just don't understand why it matters to so many women that they will do these things to their bodies. Don't they have a life? Can't they get a life? It seems weird to me.

Is it because I don't watch television?
Is it because I don't look too bad without any interference?
Is it because I earn a lot so I don't need to attract a man to keep me financially?
Is it because I wasn't brought up in a sexist way?

Why do I feel differently from women who get their chests cut open and lumps of silicone inserted?

Also this concentration on appearance is very morally corrupt. Spend more time helping others. We used to hvae sayings like pretty is as pretty does and beauty if only skin deep and we used to see vanity as a sin. We need to those feelings to come to the fore again. If we did we might also find it easier to persuade girls into well paid careers and take over more positions of power in this country rather than fussing over how their bottom or bust looks.

It is weird, isn't it Xenia? Why can some women not leave the house without a full face of make-up and some never wear it? I never notice that those with the make-up are happier or more likely to be in a relationship than anyone else.

no holds barred xenia! :)

agree v much with your pov

also would add that i have to spend ages regularly waiting in childrens outpatients for one of my children to be seen by one or another specialist, and just watching all the children and their parents come and go is a most excellent reminder of what to be content with and grateful for, what's important to focus on and what's not

indeed yellow raincoat...

I think there are lots of sweeping statements & judging going on here.

I have breast implants, I had them because I wanted to have some shape. I was so flat chested, I was literally concave. I now look normal.

You have to remember that not everyone is lucky enough to develop a feminine shape & surely in these liberated times, we should be supporting empowered decisions ?

Not everyone that has implants looks like Jordan/Chantelle/TOWIE. Not everyone does it to attract a man - I was never short of a boyfriend.

I also bf my 2 children & not all silicone is poision, it's been used in operations for decades.

My BF could never understand my implants, because she was lucky enough to be a c cup. She has now, very sadly, had breast cancer & is awaiting a date for her reconstruction. She can't wait to "feel like a woman again".

So, please, before you lucky breasted women make your comments, have some consideration.

Why does my having implants effect other women... and for the record my reasons for having them were not because of pressure from society to have perfect body shape - I wanted them for ME to make ME look better for my own personal reasons - which I thought long and hard about before making the decision - what gives all of you the right to be so judgemental about another persons life choices and this almost revelling in the PIP scandall as though women deserve this to happen says more about you than it does me and my choices - seriously live & let live I paid for my implants from MY money not yours - stop judging - if you are happy in your skin - well done congratulations but others arent so lucky in that.

Well said Willowisp and SallyAnne7300.

I think it is a worrying trend that breast enhancement is seen as a 'normal' procedure for 'normal' women to do so that they look 'normal'.

Is that what we want as a society? For it to be the case that whole sectors of the female population whose breasts are apparently not perky or big 'enough' to resort to surgery? Should it actually become 'normal'?

It is not 'normal'. It is an extreme and radical procedure. I would be horrified if it truly became normal.

Think it's been said numerous times on this thread that we're not judging people's personal choices. I couldn't give a fuck if you personally chop your entire upper body off in the name of beauty.