to envy/hate people on benefits to be as well off if not better than us

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I know that this post may have some mixed reviews and may even get me slated but I can,t help it.
Someone I know although she is a genuine case her and her husband have as much as me and dh coming in and with a brand new car thrown in for good measure.
I can only dream of a new car and I work my tripe off 5 days a week as well as dh whilst some people can sit at home and get the same income coming in it seems really unfair.

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll Sun 08-Jan-12 17:12:19
"Nobody without a job should be better off than someone who works unless they have a private income, disabled or not."

So if I, being a person with a steady job, choose to take on a crippling mortgage which doesn't leave me any spending money, does that mean all the people in council houses have to get rid of their overcoats just to be worse off than me?

The point of being non-disabled and able to work is that you have a choice about things. I can choose where I live, someone who relies on council housing cannot. I can choose to walk to work, my disabled friend cannot.

Totally agree cory.

'Say they issued bog standard Fords - choice of a hatch back or estate, several years old.'
And the wheelchair user, sitting in their wheelchair, would sit where exactly? The roof?

If you are so jealous OP, give up work and go onto the life of riley you imagine. Im sure you can brain damage your kids too to really rake it in.Sound tempting?

If you have a job, you can forge a career, you can progress with your career and increase your earnings and your earning potential. You can "better yourself" (if you want to call it that) you can make provision for yourself and your children. You might not definitely but those are the advantages of a job.

Many people on some of the benefits being discussed don't have those opportunities open for them , of course I am sure there a people who diddle the system, but don't tar everyone with the same brush as they are surely in the minority.

And recently i have bought myself two new pairs of jeans....9.99 each in new look cos i only had one pair, and the pair i did have ad been worn so much there was hole going in one of my bum cheeks or is that still acceptable to wear? The last time i bought clothes before that i cannot remember, i also spent 8pound on a top! Most the clothes i now have are what my sister has out grown where she put on too much weight! hardly a life of luxury!

Dawndonna, you only had TWO hours of respite and they have taken that away? That's shocking.

I don't know why we don't go the whole hog and start doing away with drains on the system, start with the disabled and dole scum, move onto the elderly, obese, alcoholics and drug addicted...

Maybe there would be an argument that brunettes are more likely to be less productive than blondes, and we will just whittle away at the chaff till we only have the wheat...

In fact, it's such a great idea, I am surprised no-one had it before

Well, on the bright side, I've been able to update my Utter TossFuckers spreadsheet.

I have read read many threads like these on MN.

I am most concerned about this particular OP however.

This one hasn't even listened when told how things really work in the enviable land of benefits!

Hold on, I'm "stuck in a wheelchair" and I have a full time job! Am I doing it wrong?

I can't say the tax dodgers worry me greatly.
I pay a lot of tax and have no way of avoiding it as I work for a local authority. It pisses me off that, say, I pay 1000 quid tax every month, which is probably going into the pocket of a benefit scrounger, so he/she can hang around the shopping precinct every day eating chips and smoking. Whilst wearing fake Uggs and gold chains etc.

If bankers and other high earners can find a way of avoiding a massive tax bill, what's wrong with that?
Because whatever you may think, these high earners will be qualified and will be good at their jobs. Lots of them work long hours and for what - to be ripped off with a huge tax bill?

So which is worse - someone who works 12 hrs a day, 6 days a week and resents paying high taxes, or someone who thinks working is for mugs?

I do believe I started a very similar thread to this a couple of years ago when I first joined MN. Then I developed a lifelong condition and after the birth of DS postnatal depression. I too thought depression was 'depression'. I don't anymore - it can be absolutely debilitating. And if I hadn't have been in mat leave would certainly not have been capable of doing my job. I don't think OP should be slated - she might just need more life experience.

Hey, hey hey OP, come hate me instead. I have enough money not to work at all, I'm definitely the villain of the piece

Come now. If your legs dropped off would you expect to go to work the next day? Or would you expect the state to help you out. You are confusing two moral issues: the first is your right for a decent wage -which depending on what you do is hard to achieve; the second is how the UK decides to care for those who are unable to work. The two are not actually linked. Anymore than my bank balance is linked to yours.

Envy is counter productive. It makes you bitter and less likely to take actions to change your circumstances. Find yourself a role model to emulate instead. A better thread would be 'DH and I are working our socks off and only earn £25k how can we make more money?' because then you might actually get somewhere :)

OP give it a rest.
What is hurting you is that you can't have what you want.
So you are throwing a tantrum by looking round where you think the grass is greener.

You should be proud of living within your means!!!

You not being able to afford car/house/holidays does not mean we should punish the disabled for what are already unfortunate circumstances.

And nothing states that your neighbours though capable of working in your eyes can actually do consistent work or even that if you know their whole circumstance you would still think the grass was greener on their side.

Grow up. It's ok to be hurt that life hasn't turned out the way you want, but you should do something about your situation to make it better and not think of how to make someone else's situation worse so that you feel ok about yourself.

Long and patronising because YA totally and utterly FU.

Cory, your income should still be more than what a benefits claimant gets if you work. What you choose to spend it on after you have received it is up to you.

And can I start being positive by suggesting you OP check with entitledto (the website) whether YOU are entitled to any supporting benefits that you are not claiming. :)

Boffy have you mixed hollyoaks up with panorama again?

And do you honestly believe that the potential for long term fiscal damage is going to be caused by someone on benefits having a holiday or a golden handshake millionaire playing fat and loose with the countries budgets?

My mum had to fight for careers allowance and dla for my grandad despite him having his leg amputated above the knee, an ulcerated foot, arterial by pass due to poor circulation and kidney failure of his one remaining kidney! Hardly easy, though this was o ver 20 years ago. My dad didnt live long enough to get any dla or anything it was just under 3 months from diagnosis to passing away. Little consolation and cos he was married his wife got the widows stuff! How unbloody fair when it was mum that had looked after him until he became to ill to be here!

You don,t really envy them you want more 'stuff' but can,t afford it like manyof us so you are attacking an easy target.

It pisses me off that, say, I pay 1000 quid tax every month, which is probably going into the pocket of a benefit scrounger, so he/she can hang around the shopping precinct every day eating chips and smoking. Whilst wearing fake Uggs and gold chains etc.

I'm so glad this makes you unhappy, Really. The ignorant are rarely happy except when they are talking shyte. :)

at antsypants. I am liking your work.

Ohh a benefits thread.

Sits on hands

I would soooo love to comment but I work for the Dept and we are not allowed to......

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