to envy/hate people on benefits to be as well off if not better than us

[chocaddict]

I know that this post may have some mixed reviews and may even get me slated but I can,t help it.
Someone I know although she is a genuine case her and her husband have as much as me and dh coming in and with a brand new car thrown in for good measure.
I can only dream of a new car and I work my tripe off 5 days a week as well as dh whilst some people can sit at home and get the same income coming in it seems really unfair.

I firmly believe that the majority of people are kind, and understand that they themselves may be fortunate but others may not, that those who are less fortunate deserve as much help as it is possible to give them.

Unfortunately, nearly 50 years of observing politicians has told me that the standard of politician has been dropping for about 30 years. Our current pile are far too ignorant of what 'normal' life is like, are constantly cushioned from anything outside Westminster, and really are not fit to run a pub let alone a country. They are the ones where 'entitlement' started, bringing with it intolerance and lack of empathy. I worked with a few of them before they became MPs; they were like that then and are like that now.

If we had time or energy from trying to keep our chins above water, we would be able to see through them and perhaps vote them all out and effect a revolution. Fair MPs for Fair Wages and all that. The trouble is, if they can derail us all and get us sniping at each other then they get to keep their jobs.

I have to get up a half past six tomorrow to go to work. I'll be at work for approximately 10 hours and then when I get home I'll work another hour or two at home.

I've spent most of this evening working and won't have nearly enough sleep now.

So why don't I just 'go on benefits'?

Well, for a start, I'd have about a third as much money. Secondly, I might have something else horrible going on in my life to prevent me from working, like a sick child, a disability etc etc. Thirdly, even if I didn't have that, I'd have to put up with a huge proportion of people judging me and pouring scorn on me. Fourthly, I'd not be able to be looking at houses to buy, as I am now, I'd have to live where the council told me and it would more than likely be a hole. Fifthly, even though my pay at the moment is not huge (though a lot more than benefits) all the time I am in work helps towards the possibility of promotion and development in the future. If you are on benefits, you are usually static. You aren't progressing, you are just treading water. Sixthly, when my wages come in, they are all mine to spend exactly how I want. No one feels they can dictate what I spend it on, what I 'deserve', what I should be 'entitled to'. Working gives me freedom and choice, and lots of it.

I feel seventhly would be slightly ridiculous, so I'll stop there. These are just a few of the multitude of reasons why it's better to be in work than on benefits. In no way do I envy those who don't have a choice. To be honest, I don't envy those (few) who do and actively choose to stay on benefits. I'm glad I have the drive and ambition not to be satisfied with a life perpetually on the breadline. Do I get annoyed at 'my' taxes being spent on others? Frankly no, not at all. This is what a civilised society does. I'm lucky to have the choice to have a hell of a lot more than that.

Reindeer - it is sad really. Every time they post their ignorant and stupid rantings they are given evidenced counter arguments which disprove the ridiculous claims they make about what they think their neighbours are doing.

Yet even with their ignorances being so easily removed, they chose to wallow in their daily mail fuelled stupidity.

It is like they enjoy being idiots

Slacksally not being able to do all you are doing in your life to improve it and exercising your ambition and therefore choice is exactly what i have mourned (aswell as the obvious continous grief i feel for my DS).

Living in such a static state has almost sent me out of my mind. The guilt i have suffered being on benefits was immense. I'm just starting ti e les hard on myself about this.

I hope in future to beable to change my life and i may even consider starting from scratch alone without my DS as i feel there is no other option. Just writing of the possibility is very hard. I just do not see any other way to improve my life. My brain is rotting away. stuck in the house most of my life.

Leaving my DS scares me to death because of people like OP.

I suppose anything I say would just fall on deaf ears. But I hate when this shit starts and Carers and those who are struggling to find work (yes people are desperately trying to get work) are forced to defend themselves from the views of the stupid.

If only it was that easy to go 'I can't be arsed working, let's just claim benefits and have a free car, holidays and a flat screen TV'. Its not that easy, and that is not the reality.

Goingfor, we get a measly £53 a week, whereas a community nurse doing exactly what I do earns around £30K. I would be a community nurse if I was just in it for the money (plus we'd get holidays and sick pay too! ) can you imagine how lovely that would be, instead of being on call 24/7 and then having to cope with being classed as 'benefit scroungers'.

I should block these threads when I see them but it's like fucking kryptonite and yes I am superwoman.

chocaddict and you little friends. I have read this thread, and I think it is all your fault. If you weren't working full time, there would be a part time job available to someone who really needed it. You would both get tax credits, and probably income support. In fact, you could go one better, and cut your hours more so that two extra peoplo could work part time and then 3 of you wold be getting tax credits and is. If your dh were to do that too, then that's 6 people working part time and sitting on their arses the rest of the time instead of 2 people working ft and 4 lazy bastards doing nothing.

That's your problem. You too selfish, keeping that job to yourself.

So disabled people should be poor and disabled to make idiots feel better!!

I have worked since I was 15, and at one point had 3 jobs to keep afloat. My dh has worked all of his adult life.
We have 2 disabled children and it was decided that one of us needed to be at home. I gave up work and tbh I find not harder being at home than working!! I still do freelance work and 3 hours a week at my old job to keep my skills upto date.
Don't assume because we are at home, that's where we want to be! Maybe it's just where we need to be.

This thread's hilarious, I didn't realise so many fools inhabited the earth until now.

Free cars eh ? Well that's me off to chop me legs off then........I may be some time.

What's frightening is how many people swallow the media's propaganda which is designed to have working people pointing their finger at people on benefits rather than the rich who cost them far more. It's a clever tactic that works well where fools are concerned.

A life on benefit is rarely a great one. Anyone who "lives it up" on benefit must be doing it fraudulently or is possibly in a huge amount of debt and I certainly wouldn't envy that.

Op, you might perhaps see someone like my friend. Not working, out on a walk, laughing and joking with her daughter. What you wouldn't know is that she's now on her second brain tumour and hasn't worked for years due to fits as a result of her first surgery. She may be laughing and having a jolly good time because she's a bloody brave person, or because maybe she thinks her time is limited and she wants to make the most of it. I dont know if she claims anything and quite frankly dont care.

chocaddict. But they are not better off than you are. You have your pride and can say you earn your money. It is very difficult/humiliating for many people to have to quit working to go on disability.

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Urgggh. I think I'm gonna have to write a killfile. You can't argue with hatred. I should know this!

Is this thread any good? It's a long 'un so before I plough through, is it just the same aul' shite?

Let me save you the bother, Gwen.

If you are disabled, you are a burden on the taxpayer and they hate you for it. If you aren't prepared to do the decent thing and die, then you should starve on the streets. you should certainly not have a nice home, a car, go on holiday, breed or have a love life.

You should go round in sackcloth and ashes apologising to anyone who looks like they may be a taxpayer and promising them that you only eat once a fortnight and you're going to die soon.

Oh, and it would probably be best to bring back the workhouses and poor houses and most importantly - bring back the institutions for the vile disabled who refuse to die, so that they can be stuck in a cell all day, tied down to a bed, fed rubbish and therefore kept out of the sight of decent people AND not given any money directly.

That's about it, really.

Greaaat - another "lets all bash the disabled" thread.

OP, I am a genuinely horrible person and I am now wishing a disability on you - the more disabling the better so that you too can have the shiny new car and benefits.

Happy now? No? Why on earth not?

Actually people like the OP make me sick - and the same to anybody agreeing with her - get a fucking grip on yourselves. Selfish fucking bastards some of you

Acumenoop/Hecate
Thanks for the summary and list of posters to avoid.

Some people say that MN should delete threads like this.

I say they should stay.

Otherwise no sane, normal person would believe that such ignorant arses actually believe the stuff that is written in the Daily Mail.

How about you lot EDUCATE yourselves before you spout off about issues that you know nothing about.

Oh for fucks sake. Let me point out, again, the OP was not saying that people who are genuinely unable to work should not be able to claim benefits, but pointing out that those people who should be able to work should.

The biggest vitriol I have felt on this thread is not towards people who are disabled, far from it, it is from those people who churning out the same old shite against the OP and the people who agree with her, however vague that may be.

JustHecate that is the most outrageous 'summary' of this thread. That is the sort of shit that gets printed in the Daily Mail. Clearly reasonable discussion is not possible on this thread.

I'm soo glad this thread is still here. Although I must admit, I am pleasently surprised.

I have read all through this, albeit I have skimmed a bit, and I have to say that after the title I thought we were going to be discussing the very few families living in mansions paid for by benefits, and was therefore shocked that is was about DLA!
I have been shocked on 2 levels by this thread, by some of the attitudes to the disabled (I really believe some people look back to the Victorian times with nostalgia, workhouse, yay!!) and by the sheer slog of lives of those carers who have posted on here. I salute you all. x

Forgot to say also, as a newbie I find the deleted bits very frustrating!!

The OP was basing her views as always happens on her 'friend' or neighbour or whatever who is claiming DLA whilst being able to do 'many a task' - in the OP's expert medical opinion. So you could hardly argue it was ever going to be an unbiased, general discussion about benefit fraud when from the go-get it was based on gossip, begrudgery and spite.

As ever, the people who agree always have a friend/family member/neighbour who nets a squillion a year on higher DLA whilst wingwalking, break-dancing and banger-racing their mobility cars.

Oooh! I get to be on your little list of hate!

This is really pathetic, you don't know me and I don't know you, so while you criticise me you should be aware that you have no idea what I do that actually benefits disabled people.

So I think that people on benefits shouldn't have a receive more money than is needed to live on, so what. It hardly makes me the queen of evil. I would never deny people things they need to live a reasonable life and I passionately believe that disabled people should get a hell of a lot more than they get now. I believe it enough for it to show in real life, where I am very grateful that I have no personal need for those benefits. I just think there are better ways of making people get what they need instead of thowing money at them.

If that means a wealthy disabled person receives less than what they already get in benefits, so be it. And if it means that they get fifty times more than what they do now, so be it.

I genuinely have a friend who is jealous of the payout her friend was given when she discovered she had terminal cancer, and would be leaving three children behind never to see them reach adulthood. My friend was one of her best friends and said "I know you shouldn't say it but.....you sort of wish you had cancer to pay off the mortgage".

I kid you not.

Would you like to be in her position then?

I wouldn't and I am 100% sure of that. If not, be grateful that we live in a society where the unemployed don't always end up homeless and destitute.