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To think my son had every right to use the toilet! (Long sorry)

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SleepingWithGhosts · 31/12/2011 17:07

Yes I know it's another disabled toilet thread but I am so angry and need to rant somewhere.

Just got back from our local Wetherspoons as been for a meal with the children during which my son (7 years old) needed the toilet.

In Wetherspoons the toilets are upstairs and there is a disabled toilet downstairs.

I went to take him to the disabled toilet, he has many diagnosed conditions including Dyspraxia (struggles to walk up stairs as poor balance), Global Development Delay (cannot manage his own toileting needs and needs me to wipe his bottom, re-dress him etc.), Continence Issues (can soil/wet himself if dosn't get to a toilet in time) and Autism (dosn't react well to hand dryer noise) so we always use a disabled toilet where we can as it means I can go in with him and help him whereas normally it's difficult but with these toilets being upstairs I would have needed to carry him up and being 7 months pregnant at the minute I could not have managed.

He is legally registered as disabled and has high rate DLA for both care and mobility. He has full time 1-1 care during school. Just trying to show he is disabled and fairly severe.

Got to the disabled toilet and saw they were locked, not by a radar key (we have one of those) so went to the bar and asked the waitress for the key to the toilet.

Coversation went like this, with a word or two wrong proberly:

Me: Hi, can I have the key for the disabled toilet please

Her: No problem, who is it for?

Me: My son (whilst pointing to him)

Her: What's wrong with him?

Me: He is disabled and needs the toilet.

Her: I need to know why, it's for disabled people only.

Me: He is disabled. He has 6 different diagnosed conditions (getting the blue badge out of my bag to show her at this point). He struggles to manage the stairs and I can't carry him so he does need to use it.

Her: I am sorry but we only allow people who can't walk upstairs to use it.

Me: He can't walk up the stairs.

Her: Well he seems to walk fine now (pointing over to him as he is walking round the table)

Me: Started to argue back about the fact that walking on level ground and up stairs are two different things and while he can walk he has balance issues which you can clearly see by the fact he walks with his arms sticking out at the sides but got called by my DD and had to leave the conversation.

Went back to the children and DS has wet himself and is becoming distressed. We had finished eating at that point so got the children and left.

Phoned Wetherspoons when I got back as I was so annoyed that my son had been refused access to the toilet when he is disabled and I had his blue badge to prove it.

Manager apologised to me but explained that it is down to the decission of individual staff as to wether someone is entitled to use the disabled toilet or not and that their guidence is people who can walk don't need it so the waitress did nothing wrong.

AIBU to think:

a) My son WAS entitled to use the toilet
b) It's not down to the staff to decide who is entitled to use the toilet or not
c) I shouldn't have to spend 10 minutes arguing why my son needs the toilet and giving out confidential information about his conditions in front of a bar full of people drinking.

I am considering writing a complaint but not sure if it's worth it, just bloody angry on behalf of my DS and annoyed our meal out was cut short (we had not yet ordered deserts).

OP posts:
BandOMothers · 01/01/2012 13:46

Goog God that woman wants sacking in my opinion! Who does she think she is??? I hope you are complaining officially in writing!

wellwisher · 01/01/2012 15:02

This is outrageous.

www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/investors/directors has names and details of the big bosses. You should also put this on their Facebook page - I would just put the link to this thread up there but I think you need to name and shame the branch, and the bitch waitress if you got her name.

cansu · 01/01/2012 16:51

Really can't quite believe this. My dd ASD always uses disabled loo because she is terrified of hand dryers. She walks fine but as many people have pointed out being disabled is not juust about ability to walk. With ds also ASD he needs help cleaning himself up and also can't wait for cubicle or will simply wet himself and also can't sope with hand dryer noise thus needs to use disabled loo. Please let me know town so I can complain on your behalf. Shocked that someone would quiz you on your ds disabilities in any case.

SleepingWithGhosts · 01/01/2012 22:14

Wow, just got back to this thread and stunned at the replies.

A huge thank you to the posters who have listed the contact details for head office and the CEO of Wetherspoons. I will be sending emails off to them asap.

To the poster who asked how my son gets upstairs at home, he dosn't. We live in a bungalow but normally I carry my son or my partner carries my son when out and about. He is small for his age so easy to carry normally but as I said earlier I was alone and am 7 months pregnant so cannot lift him at the moment.

Have the name of the manager I spoke to as asked for it but did not get the waitresses name, which in hindsight was silly of me. Going to pop back and try and spot her to get her name off her badge and then can include it in the complaint.

I don't want to list what branch of Wetherspoons it was at like I said in the OP it is my local branch and as I live in a very small town I worry it will out me. Anyone who thinks they may be local to me (north west) can PM me if you like to confirm it's not the one you usually use etc.

Thanks everyone for your support.
Will make sure to update once I send the complaint off and let you know how I get on.

OP posts:
pigletmania · 01/01/2012 22:30

I would also include the link to this thread too. Good luck and keep us updated.

abigboydidit · 01/01/2012 22:46

Oh, that's truly awful OP. Read the riot act I say.

369thegoosedrankwine · 01/01/2012 23:26

OP never mind just reading the riot act. Mention the equality act and disability discrimination (I am a lawyer). That is truly awful what happened to your child.

My DS simply has an 'intolerance' which means bowels can move very quickly. I will use disabled toilets as he sometimes won't make it. I would go mad if subjected to the treatment you have.

Pm me if you want me to read your email / letter to them before you send it. Smile

gothicangel · 02/01/2012 08:30

YANBU,

my god i would have draged her over the bar!

i would take it further, but then again my hubby is disabled and im sick of the crap treatment and looks we get,

MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 02/01/2012 08:36

Have been lurking here for a while and just wanted to agree at how shocking this is and good luck with the complaining!

Kladdkaka · 02/01/2012 10:39

Contact the Equalities and Human Rights Commission. They will provide you with a letter template setting out the law and asking the company to explain why they have discriminated against your son. If the reply isn't satisfactory, they will assist you in taking it further. You have to act quickly though as there are deadlines.

whomovedmychocolate · 03/01/2012 17:58

Surely someone from Wetherspoons must have seen this by now and WE WANT TO HEAR YOU APOLOGISE! Angry

DietintheNewYear · 03/01/2012 18:02

Throw the book at them! Disgusting and illegal!

IndianOcean · 03/01/2012 18:19

The OP needs to follow a proper complaints procedure!
No way would I want my name on the W'spoons website 'outing' my child, and no way would I want this thread sent to W'spoons alongside a formal complaint because then W'spoons and anyone who has access to their correspndence will have the connection between the OPs posting name and her real name - and the MN search facility.

The internet is not always the best place to get important things sorted out properley.

And they can't start disciplining staff or implementing important policies on the basis of an incident reported on the internet in an unnamed branch etc.

Get a grip pepole - advising the OP of a good way to complain is one thing, acting like cyber vigilantes is another.

StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes · 03/01/2012 18:24

late to the thread but when I was on crutches after a hip op I asked for the key and was told it was in use, I waited and it wasn't so asked again, the door was locked but no one knew where the key was. lots of people serving beer and ignoring me hanging about crutches crossed waiting and in the end I made a painful journey up the stairs. totally bloody unhelful kind of pub, I really resent them as we have often had really bad customer service in both our local branches. poor staff training, but I guess cheap beer keeps them in custom.

himynameisfred · 03/01/2012 18:59

Absolutely complain, please do, on behalf of me and every other person with an 'invisable' disability out there.

I would be f*ing livid.

My almost 5 yo has autism is classed as severely disabled, is in nappies (not easy to change his on the floor of a one metre squared toilet cubicle), but certainly people using handdryers etc could be really distressing for someone with this condition, my so screams and cries at them.

What an awful thing to go through, please complain so it's less likely you or anyone else will have to go through that.

What utter ignorance shakes head sadly

himynameisfred · 03/01/2012 19:03

agreed with gothicangel there does come a point were you get sick to death of the s* you get when being the advocate for a disabled person.

We've faced all sorts. You have to stand up for yourself and have zero tollorance of taking s* in the end.

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