to be just a bit annoyed with the lentil weavers?

[buggerybollocks]

Now I'll admit to being a little bit of a LW but I spotted a poor woman on a forum being blasted for asking for advice about sleep training. It was suggested that she just put up with the chronic lack of sleep she was experiencing and that it was all natural and any kind of sleep training would cause brain damage and blah blah blah.....

Ooh I'm just a bit cross with them and their high and mighty, moral high ground co sleeping, organic breast feeding selves.

Going to pour myself another glass of wine and calm down....

Oh, I forgot - no routine/sleep training. I'm not organised enough. We barely have the semblance of a routine now with DS 2.5!

peoplesprincess: I don't understand why people having higher standards than you annoys you*

Your reading skills don't extend to inference then?

Ninky, are you actually surprised? Seems pretty typical to me!

IME people are more inclined to push things like CC/CIO/early weaning/introducing formula IRL so a bit of alternative 'lentil-weaving-type' thinking is a welcome thing. It's a shame people can't be less bitchy more open minded about these things.

I agree redbunny - I tried a few slings (kindly donated by my LWing pals) and never did find a single one that I founfd comfortable to wear. Awful combersome things, and not for me. I was always a bit jealous of those who sauntered around with them as though they weighed nothing more than a bag of (organic) cotton wool!

To me BLW is just 'weaning'.

blw is a big hoo ha about nothing
it's weaning, wean picks up food and gnarls and gums it
yet that act has become a life statement

I hate the two camps so yanbu regarding the bitchiness but I feel yabu regarding the attack on lentil weavers.

Surely we are (in the main) each doing what we think is best for us and our children as a unit? I can't stand the attack and the you-are-doing-it-differently-to-me-so-are-directly-criticising-me. I bf, co-sleep, use a sling part time and a buggy the rest, am very anti CC but do not attack any of my RL (or online) family and friends who take a different view. I don't do these things to try and conform to some ideal that LWers online put forward but believe that is the best I can do for MY daughter in MY circumstances having read studies on these subjects. I can't comment on other people's circumstances but will happily share my experience with others and politely discuss.

I wish my DH's family would give me the same respect. Holier than thou shit is not the reserve of the Lentil crowd.

What's the big deal about slings? Surely it's just a transport method? What's the supposed über-mummy child development payoff that gives it smug value?

good grief if you think this is bitchiness,you need to get out more
this is tame, tame by mn I tell ya
no humph faces

on a mn bf thread a lactavist apparently throated to kill someone disagreed with

now that is taking it too far

I think the problem is that an awful lot of people who do some of the stuff on the light-hearted lists on this thread look at the whole "natural parenting" thing as a rather exclusive club, and get quite obsessive about conforming as closely as possible to what they see as the natural parenting model.

I am on the same LW forum as Ninkynonker and, while I find it useful for practical advice, I tend to avoid a lot of the discussion around topics like attachment parenting, sleep, BFing etc because I can't bear the tone taken by certain posters. There was a recent thread that nearly made me stop using the forum together - a perfectly normal piece of baby equipment, probably owned by 99% of parents, was being held up as the work of the devil, and its use taken to demonstrate the general parenting ethos of the poor woman being discussed.

There is also a lot of self-righteous "we mustn't judge" comments by people who, 3 seconds later, go on to start a thread doing just that!

It does work both ways - I get a bit sick of assumptions being made about me simply because I use slings and cloth nappies, but I really don't think some "lentil weavers" help themselves. Just because they are doing things differently doesn't necessarily make them right!

Oh yeah- I've seen prams described as "mobile baby prisons". But that's ok because it's quite entertaining.

have no beef with slings per se
major beef when the quasi-benefits and attachment theories exposed
when folk refer to selves as baby wearer and have meets to crow and swop
I got given a leather and sheepskin sling with straps et al. was ghastly, but got invited to a meet,swop, try and discuss about slings....but that is another thread

taking consumer good and turning it into an ideological lifestyle is bonkers.sling is a baby product same as a pram.and yes people can effuse about prams but is all froth

I refer to my kid's pram as an executive sleep pod which makes me feel a whole lot better as I jam her excited little feet into the deluxe snuggly cosy toes.

Baby prison my bottom, she's lucky to get wheeled about everywhere.

Executive sleep pod

a baby prison love that term.will recall that as I do the bugaboo walk of pride

I've given a fair few of my own opinions on this thread and now (after many G&Ts) I am regretting it... we all should be supporting each other, right?

My own feeling is that slings are great (so much easier than pushchairs). Co-sleeping is great (so much easier than getting up in the night). Breastfeeding toddlers is also great (so much easier than trying to 'wean' them before they are ready).

But who am I to criticise anybody else's parenting choices?

Good luck to you all, whatever you decide to do!

A pram? Prison? Well lock me up for life as I would lurve to be wheeled around all snuggly in blankets. LeBOF, loving the contributions, made me grin. Are you a lawyer perchance?

peoplesprincess: I don't understand why people having higher standards than you annoys you*

Your reading skills don't extend to inference then?

I still don't understand. Inferring what exactly? That some parenting methods are better than others? Some are. This is a fact.

BOF - it wasn't a pram - it was a moses basket.

kungfu - I really want to know what bit of baby equipment that was!

I use a sling if my day involves lots of steps or awkward doorways, and a buggy if I need somewhere to put shopping as well as a baby. It doesn't make me a better parent some days than others but I like the convenience of having both options available.

it's the photos and the if you are an experienced baby wearer and would like to share your experience

omg its like eating the guru saga aloo to discuss baby wearing and higher state of consciousness and smugness

Peoplesprincess - I can see why breastfeeding your baby is superior to, say, dressing it in old dishrags and makin it forage for food. But I'm still trying to understand why - for instance - cosleeping is superior to a cot, or slings to a pram. Really. Maybe I just don't care enough, but why is this stuff such a big deal?

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I mean meeting the baby wearing guru saga aloo to reach higher state smugness,it's a bitty wanky

I think the best parenting methods there are, are the ones that suit and fit in with, the individual mother and family.

Its phrases like baby wearing that make it sound wanky to me

If you want to use a sling fine, but don't call it baby wearing

cloth bummed
baby wearing
wanky wanky phrases, that justifiably attract derision