to be just a bit annoyed with the lentil weavers?

[buggerybollocks]

Now I'll admit to being a little bit of a LW but I spotted a poor woman on a forum being blasted for asking for advice about sleep training. It was suggested that she just put up with the chronic lack of sleep she was experiencing and that it was all natural and any kind of sleep training would cause brain damage and blah blah blah.....

Ooh I'm just a bit cross with them and their high and mighty, moral high ground co sleeping, organic breast feeding selves.

Going to pour myself another glass of wine and calm down....

Am surely not LW

Cloth nappies - you must be fucking joking, 10 loads of washing a week and no tumble dryer already ta.
BFing, yes in fact, 6 months then off boob much to my delight.
BLW - all very good if YOU have lovely nutrient rich diet, but when your idea of a main meal consists of a packet of Jaffa Cake, it just isn't going to work. Or it will, but baby will get rickets/gout/scurvy.
Baby wearing - good god, Ds1 9lb, DS2 10lb at birth, I would be crushed alive. Plus it has a poncey name.
Co-sleeping-yes from around 3am when am too knackered to resettle Ds2 in own cot. But am not evangelist about it. Bloody hate it. Back, neck and shoulders destroyed as a result and a crap night sleep to boot.
Organic food - sometimes, but surely it is an all or nothing thing.
Telly - Cbeebies is my FRIEND.

The reason people suggest FF and CC is because they often WORK and quickly. Otherwise people wouldn't suggest it durr. No need to feel or be made to feel, bad. Well fed, clean, secure, happy and loved. Everything else is. A bonus.

Dear Redbunny I may post your comments in an email to my friend who is still to this day trying to prove a point. Shame I'm still having to listen to her moaning day in day out about how her child won't sleep but she refuses to cc apparently it's neglecting her child I'm happy to state after listening to the mother my Ds sleeps through since he was 2 months old. CC is a god send and hasn't harmed him

scottishmummy, one of my best friends fits your last list (9.28pm) - and she is a breastfeeding supporter - so also a 'proper' lentil-weaver, yes?

Sorry, OP, for the hijack. It's true that meeting babies' needs for comfort when they are very young tends to make for happier, more secure children in the long run (can link to academic papers in the morning if required), but no mum should have to go through the kind of criticism you are describing, and you are most certainly not being unreasonable.

Scottish, no I am in italy and tv is crap here, unless you have sky. And when i say crap i mean that you switch it on after school and there is some half dressed woman discussing murders or celebrities.
We watch plenty of tv in the form of dvds (so the children watch them in english) and now i have the bbc iplayer on my ipad. Hurrah!

bringmesunshine, all very good if YOU have lovely nutrient rich diet, but when your idea of a main meal consists of a packet of Jaffa Cake, it just isn't going to work. Or it will, but baby will get rickets/gout/scurvy

Happily not true. Your body will rob itself to feed your baby. Breastfeeding babies get all the nutrients they need (but of course it is true that YOU might rickets/gout/scurvy or whatever if yiu don't eat a healthy, balanced diet).

Fair point. When I said detested it was just a reference to my family openly calling me a freak. I've never felt it's my place to tell others how to raise their children in rl or online. I've just had to deal with a fair bit of criticism from relatives so feeling a little sore. OP its not your post that made me feel crap, sorry.

Green bananas, was referring to baby led weaning re Jaffa Cake diet, I believe the premise is to share whatever you are having with the baby as and when they are ready. If I blw'd DS2's diet would look like this:

Espresso in Tommee Tippee cup with 2 sugars
Pain au chocolat
Kinder bueno
But of naice cheese and quince
Bottle of tea
Jaffa cakes (finger food)
Halloumi and pitta
Dream feed of gin and a silk cut.

This has turned quite sneery now, which is a shame.

Ps: whoever it was who wrecked their back carrying a 5 month old was either using the wrong sling or doing it wrong.

Poppy, am that your family call you a freak - . I know that mine think I am a freak (despite not being v LW at all - but know my mum thinks cloth nappies and co-sleeping (even if unintentional - I'm looking at you nibble-all-night DS3) are completely barking) but they wouldn't ever say so to my face. Far too repressed to do that . Sorry you feel crap, though.

I've been on another, rather lw site for over 10 years.

Believe me, they'll be all santimonious with the ptb and babies. In ten years time they'll have 3 kids in Disney outfits glued to octonaughts attending mcdonalds parties. If you ever point out the times they treated someone like crap for suggesting cc (something they'll often go on to do) they'll throw a huge strop.

You'll also find that they'll be more likely to rip the lw credentials away from their confused babies when they get fed up of it ( I have seen many co sleepers, crazy from lack of their own space, force their child from their bee into their own room when they are at an even more difficult age (3,4)

I also hate it when people say they do such things because they're lazy. You shouldn't force your laziness onto your child. Often these things aren't actually the lazy way out, and i suspect it's an excuse many lw use to deflect criticism, but it makes me cringe. It's like saying "I'm too lazy to feed my children so I think I'll order a kfc bucket each night"

The thing is mums have been doing some of this stuff for years ,it just didn't have the fancy new fangled names in the olden days

Correction, replace Tommee Tippee cup and bottle with Doidy. Mwhahahaaaaa

I second that, NinkyNonker - DS3 was 10lb4oz when born and is now 10mo and gawd knows what he weighs - 28lb? A lot, anyway. He is fine and dandy in a sling.

bringmesunshine - Dream feed of gin and a silk cut.

Yes, I do take your point!!

I think the idea is that BLW babies have the pick of the best of what is on the plate. This seems to be what they did historically. So, for example, if they fancy a bit of chicken or bacon, then that is what they take. If they need veg. e.g. carrot/blueberries/potato, that is what they take. If they don't fancy what they choose, then they soon spit it out (!!!) In this way, babies decide what nutrients they need - and don't forget that they get most of their nutrients from breastmilk/formula until they are at least one year old.

I used clothe nappies or DD1 because there were hardly any disposables then

All mine slept with me at some point ,but we never called it co sleeping

Finger foods = BLW today

Its nothing new

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I'm always baffled at seeing organic food on the list of lentil weavery nothing-but-the-best-for-my-PFB requirements. I thought the point of organic farming was topsoil sustainability, not Araminta's vitamin intake. In other words, bags of smuggity potential, but more save the planet smugging than über-mummy-smugging

NinkyNonker - with regard to the sling I was using a Moby wrap and then went on to an Ergo. Maybe I was using them incorrectly but I think the contributary factors of extremely poor sleep and a horrible birth made for a bad posture and ultimately a lingering back pain. Childbirth can be really hard on a body and at 35 I certainly felt it. Everyone is different and I think that is the overall message on this board.

My lentils came unraveled!
HB check
Co slept sometimes
BF forever check
But
Disposable nappies
Early very mother lead weaning ( on medical advice)
Fruit shots
Gregs sausage rolls
Chicken nuggets
And basically every other "crime" you can think of except sleepy training. Tried that with DD1 failed miserably. DD2 is a 1000x more determined. I would never have attempted it

DHs family think i'm a lentil weaver because I cosleep with a 20 month old (DHs doing not mine!), bf until 13 months, didn't let ds "try" sweet and sour sauce and chocolate buttons when he was 4 months old, get a bee in my bonnet about sugar free squash and object to second hand smoke!

I'm a lentil weaver kind of, but lentil weavers piss me off too.

I don't consider myself a lentil-weaver, but I have to concede that I do have lentil-weavery traits.

Slings - yes, exclusively.
BFing - hmm, didn't really work out so well - mix-fed till 4 months or so
Cloth nappies - yes, although have reverted to disposable pull-ups while potty-training is ongoing
Co-sleeping - on and off until about 6 months, and every morning from about 6am now that he can make his own way to our room!
BLW - sort-of. Gave up on purees when they didn't work out and re-started with finger food.
Organic food - fail!
No TV - you have to be kidding. DS is currently being brought up by the CBeebies characters while I wallow on the sofa being pregnant.
SAHM - nope, back to work a few days shy of 6 months and DS in nursery.
No pain-relief - yes. There was no time.

Not sure where I fall on the LW scale!

bringmesunshine2009 I nearly woke DD's laughing at your "Dream feed of gin and a silk cut" comment
That should be comment if the week.

I am definitely in the "whatever works for you" camp and would never judge another parent unless they're doing actual bodily harm. We all have to make mistakes so we can learn.