to be just a bit annoyed with the lentil weavers?

[buggerybollocks]

Now I'll admit to being a little bit of a LW but I spotted a poor woman on a forum being blasted for asking for advice about sleep training. It was suggested that she just put up with the chronic lack of sleep she was experiencing and that it was all natural and any kind of sleep training would cause brain damage and blah blah blah.....

Ooh I'm just a bit cross with them and their high and mighty, moral high ground co sleeping, organic breast feeding selves.

Going to pour myself another glass of wine and calm down....

aye,spill the legumes.dying to go have a neb

I think I agree with Elf overall.

If its the same thread I saw earlier today, I did think "stop breast-feeding, get your dh to supervise controlled crying, and get some bloody sleep, you poor poor sod". But I suspect that was not a majority view.

I stay off baby threads though.

I'd love to know as I was once blasted by loads of so called LW who disagreed with my patenting in the end I left said forum as i felt it was very much Boden wearing organic eating, we don't dare leave a baby to cry for ANY reason we are the best mothers on plant earth and you're scum if you don't agree. I'm pretty certain some of their posters post on here as I found this site from a link on their forum slagging MN off. I ended up asking to be removed and joined here. Needless to say I haven't looked back

Ha! I was about to start an AIBU about how pissed off I am with everyone telling me how wrong my choices to BF 8month DS on demand and co sleep!

My favorite quotes those far-courtesy of a few HV's-
You must get firm with him
He doesn't need to feed at night
Just put him in his cot and shut the door
He'll be fine- you know babies can cry for 8 days before they come to harm.

Riiiight. Friends and fam much the same

Someone link me to the lentil weavers!! I need them!

I found mentioning my return to ft work and nursery quickly meant the lentil weavers clutched their organic pomander and we never crossed path again much

As some others have said, I'm so so glad MN wasn't around when i had my pfb! I had a terrible time, she didn't sleep for 9 months. I finally did CC and within 3 or 4 days she was sleeping through. Too late for me though - I was suffering from PND and couldn't sleep anyway by then.

If MN had been around I probably would have been persuaded not to do CC at all and may not have had a night's sleep for another year or so!!

That was 15 years ago. She is now in year 10 and is an intelligent, highly motivated student.

chickenchops, I feel your pain. I got very similar advice from HV and family.

(and in the case of DS, he had v. serious medical issues which were affecting him horribly, and I was NOT making up his symptoms. If I had taken this advice, he would either be dead or a very sick and unhappy little boy.)

Scottishmummy, I LOVE your contributions to these threads!! Can we get into an argument? Please? Please? I am a SAHM and I used cloth nappies for a while. I don't have much time for most alternative therapies, but I do occasionally use a mooncup... let's have a fight

I'm glad I saw this thread. I too had a run in today with someone regarding CC and sleep training and felt as you did. I did everything in my power to be a yoghurt weaving type because I thought it was the right thing to do and as a result I ended up with a baby that used my boobs like a dummy, a husband sleeping in the spare room for 9 months and a child who didn't sleep through the night for 2 years! I also carried her in a sling for 5 months and wrecked my back. What was I trying to prove, that I too loved my child and would sacrifice my sanity to prove it? As you can see I had some issues around this stuff but none of it was helped by this idea I had picked up that my child would some how be traumatized if I didn't do XYZ. I feel like it ruined what was essentially a very special time and although I have only myself to blame I have certainly learned a lesson. Next time (if I'm lucky) it goes something like this:

Breastfeeding - ok
Co-sleeping - no way, straight in a bedside cot
Sling - only for a few weeks
Sleep training - after 6 months and own cot in different room

Call me harsh but after a considerable lack of sleep I thought I was going to be certfied, so happy mummy = happy baby!

no gb,don't ask someone tae get the hump with you
that's not right, no we have it oot when least expect it

Hypnobirthing, no pain relief, home birther, organic home cooked meals all the time, ebf, bf until 10 months. Guardian reader! Routine led, CIO/CC proponent.

Where does that put me?

It doesn't struck me as 'unusual' that a lot of the threads at the moment regarding hyper active toddlers, who are 'sensitive' or 'high-needs' are also those that have had no routine or structured nap times and it just screams over tired to me. But each to their own.

LW is as much a mentality as any actual characteristics. It's the whole 'you must completely subsume you're happiness and mental well-being (sleep deprivation) to do the best for your child and if you don't do as I suggest you will mentally scar them FOREVER!'. And if you don't or can't do that then you are a bad parent.

Who knows what research will show in 10 20 years time about the negative effects of AP or LW patenting. Maybe it'll be proven as the best thing ever, or maybe it'll show that there are as many ill effects as every other "type". The reality is that trends change. And you need to do what works for you and makes those early years easier.

IMHO

Just re-read my last post and once again I want to emphasise that I am not criticising anybody's parenting choices. We all have to do the best we can for our own families.

sorry, scottishmummy, that's a bit too scottish for me - but I think I get the gist

The LW forum was a Facebook group with a private membership so sadly I can't link to it without betraying my true identity (how terribly scarlet pimpernelesque)

righty ho
only cs,never given birth vaginally.had anaesthetist on speed dial
fleet bugaboos
home made organic baby foods
weaned. 6mth puree to solids
huggies were my best pal
think slings were a faff
routine yes-ish but not gf
slept own nursery upon return from hospital
still batch cook and freeze meals

Ah,triple-re-read the scottish and now I get it (I am an ill-educated sort of southerner and have poor literacy skills)

Redbunny I couldn't have put it better myself, happy mummy=happy baby

I get irritated by posts that seem to ignore the importance of a mother's exhaustion/sanity.
No matter how LW I may feel on some issues (I don't have a tv ) I would always put a mother's exhaustion first, to be honest.

My LW creds are

BF
Organic vegetarian home-mashed diet till 12 months
Signing

Slings
Co-sleeping
Refusing cc and episiotomy

Christ I drink like a fish now.

God knows where I fit...sling, co-slept, breastfed, cloth nappies, BLW, Bugaboo, every analgesic known to man in labour, cBeebies.

no telly, but clearly have a laptop.unless the community drop in centre is still open

what's the objection to telly? is it the prole food and a bit scared it will subvert your family?

Oh, and ChickenChops, I'm with you. I have been very glad of the support of LW websites when I was told so many times to let her cry etc. Thankfully I ignored it.