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To ask if you make assumptions by name?

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manicinsomniac · 19/12/2011 16:43

Okay, so in theory, we are all decent, reasonable people who would never assume that the name a family gives a child has any bearing on them as people.

But, in practice, - do we make those assumptions?

A lot of threads in the baby names topic talk about 'chavvy' names, names for people with low IQs, the idea that you can predict a child's future success based on their name etc. It all sounds very nasty and judgmental but it got me thinking as to whether we can avoid doing it and what it could mean for our children if we do.

I have only been a teacher for 5 years and have only taught in two schools - but they were very very different schools and yes, they did have very different 'popular' names. Both schools have lots of Amys, Lucys, Daniels and Sams but at the first school I taught at I had Dillon, Declan, Damon, Chelsea, Kelsey, Kasey and Jamie-Leigh. In the school I now teach at I have Annabelle, Beatrice, Georgina, Harriet, Sebastian, Frederick, Rupert and Henry.

Do you think we have names that are firmly seen as 'chavvy' or 'posh' as well as the huge mass of names that are obviously in the middle? And, if we do, do we run the risk of a child being perceived as 'a poncy twat' if we call him Rupert or 'a scuzzy chav' if we call them Jamie-Leigh. (By the way, those hideous classist terms are in inverted commas for a reason, I would never actually use them!!)

When you named your child did you consider what other people might think of the name or just go for what you liked?
Do you make assumptions about people based on their name choices?

I think that most people do and I suspect that I do myself if I'm very honest. And I think it's a bad and potentially quite damanging tendency. But I'm fully prepared to be told IABU.

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Moominsarescary · 20/12/2011 15:29

Fizzymoondust, some 60s drug?

FizzyChristmasFairyDust · 20/12/2011 15:33

I was thinking of that 1970s sweet called moon dust (or similar) which popped when you put it in your mouth, urban myth had it that you could go blind if you opened your mouth when you were eating it - of course we all did!

troisgarcons · 20/12/2011 15:37

wanders back in

Tracy was originally a boys name. Irish I think. There was an actor, not Spencer Tracy which is the only one springing to mind, in B&W films..

Tracey - the female spelling - took off about the time I was born - there were several Traceys in my year at school (not a 'posh' school, but it wasn't crap either) - it was a 'top set' name.

IneedAChristmasNickname · 20/12/2011 16:19

My friend recently adopted a Cloe. Someone commmented 'well it's hardly surprising she's ended up in care, if her Mum can't even spell!' Shock Having said that, there were 2 Katie and Chloes on the adoption programme, maybe it's 'one of them' names?
The Tracey I grew up with, was far more MC than me. Therefore I think of it as a 'posh' name.

TestAnswers · 20/12/2011 16:38

I associate names with the children I last taught with that name, but have been teaching long enough not to really judge at all by names. Just looking at your 'chavvy' and your 'posh' lists I could definitely mix those up completely based on the last child I taught with that name (or close). Declan and Dillon are highly intelligent, polite and charming boys. Chelsea is a lovely, kind and well spoken girl. Harriet is self absorbed and brash. Frederick 'Freddie' can be very mean and foul mouthed. I am simply describing my experience of the last child I met with those names - not everyone with that name though!

Moominsarescary · 20/12/2011 16:48

fizzy I remember it, they spoke about it in the film urban legends, apparently if you drank a fizzy drink at the same time your stomach would explode

guinealady · 20/12/2011 16:51

Friends of mine have just given their baby what I'd call a 'footballer's wives' name...I know they thought long & hard about it, and looked into the derivation of the name which confirms it's actually been around a lot longer than you might imagine, and has been used by many cultures over the years.

In any case, they both have family roots that are mixed UK/non-UK, so they were never going to go for a James or an Emily.

I know relatives were not keen on the name beforehand, but hopefully a baby can grow into its name...it's a shame to discount a name just because a footballer's wife also likes it!

FWIW - I definitely think the 'Council House And...' explanation for 'chav' is definitely a linguistic myth, like 'Port Out Starboard Home' for 'posh', someone has made that up somewhere along the line.

marriedandwreathedinholly · 20/12/2011 17:10

Guinealady I don't know. I wouldn't go for Brooklyn, Romeo, or Harper 7 - is there another one with a silly name? OTH Posh doesn't immediately spring to mind when I think of the mother.

Moominsarescary · 20/12/2011 17:15

Cruz,

The names Harper and Romeo have been around for a long time though haven't they

Moominsarescary · 20/12/2011 17:17

Not keen on harper though, thought she would go for something pretty

marriedandwreathedinholly · 20/12/2011 17:17

So have Jesus and Adolph but generally people are too sensible to use them

manicinsomniac · 20/12/2011 17:33

Jesus is very common in South America. My girls are half hispanic and I considered Jesus as a second middle name if one had been a boy
(pn Yayzoos)

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Moominsarescary · 20/12/2011 17:37

Was going to say the same as manic, well that it's popular in south America and probably other countrys

IneedAChristmasNickname · 20/12/2011 17:40

DS2 is very impressed that his name means Jesus Grin

Bluestocking · 20/12/2011 17:48

Re Tracey/Tracy/Tracie - it definitely wasn't posh in the 1960s - I have a contemporary with this name who says that her parents used it in defiance of their parents who considered it to be extremely "common" - their word, not mine.

EdithWeston · 20/12/2011 17:49

Here's a light hearted name assumptions thread that has also just popped up.

Richard, anyone?

Moominsarescary · 20/12/2011 17:56

My children's names mean
Lover of hounds
Chosen
Twin
Supplanter

complexnumber · 20/12/2011 17:59

?Whatthefucksyourproblem?, I have no wish to make any judgement upon you or upon the user name you have chosen to use.

Equally I?m trying really hard not to make any judgments upon the use of English within your post ?i think if you make judgement on peoples names alone it dosen,t say alot about you as a person.?

But I am failing miserably.

Sorry about that

guinealady · 20/12/2011 18:46

Bluestocking - one of the earliest Tracys I came across was the very elegant and not at all common Diana Rigg in On Her Majesty's Secret Service who introduces herself to James Bond saying 'I was named Teresa, but she was a saint, so I'm called Tracy' - so I always assumed it was short for Teresa.

I do think Tracy is one of those names that might make a comeback sooner than some of the others that were popular in the 80's...I secretly think it's very pretty!

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