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to think people shouldn't be so selfish

176 replies

Christmasishere · 16/12/2011 18:51

I was listening to the radio the other day and a Mother was talking about how she chose her career/studying over living with her son.
She fell pregnant in her last term of Uni, had the baby, then broke from the Father. She wanted to do a masters in Leeds (or somewhere...can't quite remember) but could not get childcare/appropriate in the city where she wished to study. So, the child went to live with his Father in, say, Birmingham. Her career took her to Norfolk, she found the distance very hard and couldn't think of things to do with her son once she got there. The distance and work commitments meant she didn't see her son much at all while he was growing up.
Now, to most people, she pretends that she doesn't have a child as it hurts her too much to think that she doesn't have a good relationship with her son. She mentioned nothing about how much this would have hurt her son, knowing that his Mother chose work, money etc over raising him, and not choosing to live closer at least.
I had my child young, whilst not being with my now Husband very long. We made sacrifices, but thats just what we did - there was no option - we were a family. Because of the way we threw ourselves into being a family and made it work, we are a very happy little family. Yes, there were things I wanted to do - travel, start a career etc but, it is not our child's fault they came along at a time in our lives when we weren't settled so why should he suffer?
I am not saying everyone should marry someone and set up home with partners they don't want to. All I think is that a career and life dreams that do not fit around the children should come second to raising the children that were brought into this world through no choice of anyones other than their parents.
I just think this women is truly selfish and raising our children should come above all other aspects of life.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 16/12/2011 20:45

helpmabob - are you getting this from the interview then?

It's not really coming across on the thread TBH!

It sounds as if she suffered a lot - surely the best thing would be to think how to make it easier for parents to balance children and careers, not pick on the (rare!) example of a woman in this situation.

Christmasishere · 16/12/2011 20:47

I never said she was the most selfish person I could think of.
I Heard something on the radio and thought I would discuss.
Is that not what this forum is for? Mothers to discuss issues that affect them?

She was not a loving Mother - she pretended he did not exist. I never said she should have given up her career - just made better choices to fit in around the family she chose to have.

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helpmabob · 16/12/2011 20:47

My understanding is based on what the op said, that she had no interest and found it boring to be with her son. The fact is some people are shit and selfish parents be they married, single, working whatever - that has nothing to do with the work/life balance parents face.

Wittsend13 · 16/12/2011 20:48

Well I must be selfish then OP. I picked to work in another country to support my children when youngest was 3m as there wasn't any work where my DC live. How dare I single handily support my child because I can't get benefits nor do I get maintenance. I wonder if my children would rather have mummy or be fed?!

YABU you have no idea what some people go through and in an ideal world I wouldn't be apart from my children if I had a choice. I didn't and if that makes me selfish for putting food and clothes on the table for my DC then bollocks to you.

StewieGriffinsMom · 16/12/2011 20:48

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 16/12/2011 20:50

christmas - erm, first you said she pretended she didn't have a son because she was so hurt ... now you drop that important point. Sorry, I can see you may not mean to but it comes across as if you are determined to make her out to be as bad as possible, exaggerating your previous posts when people suggest alternative explanations for her behaviour.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 16/12/2011 20:51

witts - no, you are lovely. And your DC doubtless know this.

Christmasishere · 16/12/2011 20:51

Little - this has nothing to do with being a lone parent. Just being a parent weather you all live under one roof or not. it makes no difference. She should have made more of an effort to see her son and not pretended he did not exist.

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cheesesarnie · 16/12/2011 20:52

its for parents to discuss issues not just mothers.

are you going to judge wittsend as selfish too?????

LRDtheFeministDragon · 16/12/2011 20:53

How can saying that 'mother nature' intended children to have two parents not be a statement that belittles lone parents? Confused

GypsyMoth · 16/12/2011 20:54

In your book! We all have differing ideas of being a parent..... And it's a lifetime role, not just the early years.

GypsyMoth · 16/12/2011 20:55

Mother nature comment was WELL below the belt op!!!!

Christmasishere · 16/12/2011 20:55

Can no one get that not all situations are the same?!
Respect to you wittsend13 ! however, you situation is totally different to the example I have shown.
Yes - she pretended she dod not have a son - in any way shape or form - in HER situation - is that ok?

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helpmabob · 16/12/2011 20:57

I think people are being needlessly defensive and taking offense that does not exist. I don't understand where all the misunderstandings are coming from. IMO the op has been quite clear and none of it belittles single parents, divorced, bereaved or any type of parent save those that opt out of their kids lives mentally and physically.

This thread is going round in needless aggrieved circles.

Christmasishere · 16/12/2011 20:58

Thanks helpmabob.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 16/12/2011 21:00

christmas - but did she pretend she didn't have a son while she was working because she was hurt (as you initially said), or because - as you later claimed - she didn't love him.

They are very different.

My big brother was separated from his baby daughter for all of ten days recently while he was moving house, and he didn't talk about her either - because it hurt him to think too much. I can only imagine what it'd feel like to constantly answer the question 'and do you have children? A son? Why don't you see him?' when you're not with him.

Wittsend13 · 16/12/2011 21:00

Christmasishere it does seem you are branding all parents like this one. I do understand you are referring to this girl but your post maybe should have been headed This girl is selfish or something along those lines.

LRD Thanks but they are lucky enough to have wonderful grandparents to have stepped in so they get the whole family unit. I'm very lucky. x

LRDtheFeministDragon · 16/12/2011 21:01

helpma - erm, I think you will find that claiming mother nature 'intended' children to have two parents is indeed rude to single parents!! Hmm

LRDtheFeministDragon · 16/12/2011 21:04

Witts - sounds nice. Smile

I know how shite traditional nuclear families can be and how great un-traditional set ups can be.

If this girl was upset by her choice, that is very sad. But calling it 'selfish' when so many women are like my mum, giving up too much and being so hurt by it all, and not really making it work for their children either - I can't understand it. Where's the compassion?

Christmasishere · 16/12/2011 21:04

I have never said she did not love him.
I have so much respect for all parents who do what is best for their children and put them first in whatever form that takes.
I think that this thread has got a little confused.

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dikkertjedap · 16/12/2011 21:06

Very sad and yes, very selfish. Unfortunately not as rare as you may think. I come across incredibly selfish parents and regularly wonder why they ever bothered to have children in the first place. It is not true that it does not affect children, I have seen many very very hurt children with very low self-esteem almost destined to fail.

anneatkins · 16/12/2011 21:06

she made no effort to see him and the little time she spent with him was done grudgingly.

But do we really know any of this is true?

I mean, we're not inside her head listening to her thoughts, are we?

xx

LRDtheFeministDragon · 16/12/2011 21:06

Erm, actually ... it's even on this page ...

' Christmasishere Fri 16-Dec-11 20:47:11

I never said she was the most selfish person I could think of.
I Heard something on the radio and thought I would discuss.
Is that not what this forum is for? Mothers to discuss issues that affect them?

She was not a loving Mother - she pretended he did not exist. I never said she should have given up her career - just made better choices to fit in around the family she chose to have.'

Christmasishere · 16/12/2011 21:09

Sorry, where? Where did I say she did not love her child?

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Feminine · 16/12/2011 21:10

I can see your point Christmas

This particular women, with these particular facts ( in her story) was selfish, I agree.

There is no need for the spectacular taking it personally stance I have read here today!

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