to think that this was ridiculous...

[MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates]

Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

AIBU?

He didn't look like a ned, neds don't wear Peruvian bobble hats and carry natty backpacks. His language was also not nedonese, he was too polite, too little swearing and too eloquent to be your average ned.

I can't believe people don't think that this could be classified as assault. One passenger felt it was way OTT and even the conductor knew it had gone too far. The Big Man is lucky the young guy wasn't seriously hurt.

He didn't have a knife though, did he?

This is ridiculous. It is quite horrifying that a lot of the posters on here seem to think that we live in a society that abides by the law in how we treat offenders, unless we feel like being a bit vigilante, in which case we will all bow down to the biggest, toughest man.

I see fare dodging all the time and the fare dodger was not holding up the train; the conductor was. What should happen is this:

1. somebody has no ticket and has no money to pay.
2. The conductor then makes a decision as to whether it is a genuine accident (lost wallet on platform etc) or deliberate fare dodging. They then check the person's identity and address over the phone, and issue a fine or a bill, depending on whether or not the person was evading the fare.
3. If the person will not provide an address or provides a false one, the transport police are called and the person is arrested at the next major station.

At no point should the conductor stop the train from running on time simply because they are in dispute with a passenger. I have seen aggressive and intimidating passengers dealt with in a more sensible manner that caused less disturbance to other passengers than this ridiculous situation over someone fare dodging. If this much fuss was created every time a teenager dodged a fare the whole transport system would grind to a halt or aggressive men would have to patrol Britain.

I feel sorry for the kids having to watch such aggression on a train.

Everyone get on the trains.
It's all free.
MillyR is saying it so it must be true.
Yaaaaaayyy.
What a stupid cock eyed post MillyR.
Are you a social worker or some other 'Let's talk 'em down' jobsworth?

You can't go on the trains for free. Why would you think that?

It is just like stealing from any other business. You are committing a criminal offence and are treated accordingly, either by being fined on the spot, or if you don't give an address that checks out, the police are called and you are arrested at the next major station.

But you just suggested that the young tosser got off scot free because the ticket inspector was old and not capable of dealing with the situation.

I don't know where you live but transport police are often very absent.

Go on admit it?

You're a social worker aren't you?

I didn't suggest that. I think you get must have gotten me confused with another poster. Clearly it would be a major security issue if there were no transport police at Edinburgh train stations.

Clearly he could have gotten off before that couldn't he?
Blaming an old man trying to do his job.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Getting the fare dodger off before his destination was the desire of the conductor anyway, so I can't see that as being a particular issue in this case.

I haven't seen a single poster here say that the young guy should have got off without punishment.

I think a lot of people would just prefer to live their lives without physical threat being an issue for anyone.

Posters on this thread have called the conductor a jobsworth.
An elderly man trying to do a job.
But some posters want this reprobate to (As if by magic) disappear from the train when asked.
When quite clearly he was not going to.
He should have gone through the window as it was moving.

Sorry olvivestanssister, could you point to the post where people said they wanted him to disappear as if by magic? I think I missed that one.

If the police are not there and he can't be moved by force how is he going to be moved?
You two are naive and stupid if you thing you're going to get any consensus on your opinions.
Perhaps your children are that badly behaved?
Who knows.

I don't really mind if others agree with me or not.

Does it matter that much if he's moved or not? Generally the conductor asks for a name and address and if the fare dodger doesn't agree, the police are waiting for them at the next stop. I'm not sure why that's a bad system, seems to work most of the time.

What a disgusting piece of film. OK so the fare dodger was in the wrong, but the conducter was a nasty smug jobsworth too - he had no need to hold up the train, he could just have arranged for the transport police to collect the fare dodger at the next station. And as for the vigilante thug - well I bet you anything that knob will turn out to have a nice long record for assault and affray and probably domestic violence as well. Anyone who clearly thinks himself a hero for using physical force on people smaller and weaker than him is bound to have prior form for it.

Another man hating lunatic on the thread now I see.
Fortunately your opinion means nothing to anyone.

But you already know that don't you?

Loving the fairly cosy sounding fare dodger next to nasty smug jobsworth . Does seem you can't do right for doing wrong in this country these days. For all we know, prior to the film starting, the inspector could have called for assistance and found none available, hence his need to settle it there and then.

The guy was not remotely interested in sorting it, taking a fine or even admitting being in the wrong, all he repeated was he ha shown his ticket, that he had bought one. Where do you go with a consumate, determined liar? Nowhere, that's where, and a train full of paying customers were going there fast.

Thing is that it's only 5 mins or so to the next stop, so the chance of having the police called out and ready to catch the young guy at the next station was pretty remote (looks like Polgate is a normal suburban station so it wouldn't have had transport police there, only at Edinburgh and Perth). Most likely he would have just run off unless the train was locked down until the police did arrive. Perhaps he woudl have been identifiable throguh CCTV, but most probably not.

I'm not sure that the inspector handled the situation particularly well, but he was in a bit of a no win situation. As the UK has no requirement for people to carry ID there isn't a simple way to confirm that a name and address address is valid. Given the potential consequences for fare evasion being kicked off the train wasn't a particularly terrible event in comparison.

Sozzlechops he may have not been wearing a trackie and white trainers I.e. your common schemie ned but he was a ned - ned is about attitude and selfishness not about what clothes you wear. He was being a smart arse who thought it would be a laugh to fuck some people off and wind up an auld man.

As said numerous times BTP would not have magically appeared as Linlithgow doesn't have them so would have to have kept him on the tran until Stirling at which point scotrail would have to have physically restrained him for 5 more stops

Whats a common schemie ned?

Is that a genuine question Usual? Do you really want to know what a schemie ned wears or do you want a conversation about why I called them common and schemie?

Its ok I googled it

Council estate ned?

Not even just council estate ned -might be just where I'm from but schemie ned indicates a certain l

and no I don't want a conversation about it, I don't think we need one

If usual is like me, she has no idea what 'schemie' or 'ned' mean, and just wants a translation .